Stephen Malkmus Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 17 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: They need to come back to the centre, be humble and focus on making Scotland a safe and prosperous country! Scotland is a safe country so there'll be no need for your Jail the Kids policy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Just now, Stephen Malkmus said: Scotland is a safe country so there'll be no need for your Jail the Kids policy. Would you tell the parents of Alesha Macphail that the person who killed their kid (who the snp deemed old enough to vote) doesnt belong in prison? Would you be so glib about it as you have here? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 16 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: That’s probably a sensible move for the SNP, given the Lib Dems form for being eager to bend over and do as they’re told in coalitions. I'm assuming that's another pissweak troll attempt from a serial offender, considering the Lib Dems are very much part of the "anything but independence" camp. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictorOnopko Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 57 minutes ago, BFTD said: Are we thinking that most folk just aren't aware of Forbes' views/abilities and think she looks like a nice lassie, but they'll be in for a shock if she takes over? Ash Regan permanently looks like someone took a shit on her porch and she's not impressed by how the polis are handling it, so that's probably what scuppered her. I think there's some truth in this. Forbes has what might generously be described as some "fringe" views and beliefs, and it's not really good enough to say she respects the law when she wants to lead her party and by extension the country. She also, frankly, doesn't seem all that fussed about independence. But in image terms, when she's interviewed on telly about a random topic she comes across as mild-mannered and sensible (if you don't know her views). Regan on the other hand is more pro-independence but she is a bit JK Rowlingy, and in image terms does come across as permanently annoyed and rather unlikable. I suspect it was both that and not having anywhere near enough friends and supporters in the party which made her an also-ran. Image is obviously important in politics, which is one of the reasons Swinney seems like an odd step here unless the plan is to bore everyone into submission. On the other hand, no one is standing out. I've always quite liked Angus Robertson but he seems out of the picture for some reason. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 10 minutes ago, VictorOnopko said: I think there's some truth in this. Forbes has what might generously be described as some "fringe" views and beliefs, and it's not really good enough to say she respects the law when she wants to lead her party and by extension the country. She also, frankly, doesn't seem all that fussed about independence. But in image terms, when she's interviewed on telly about a random topic she comes across as mild-mannered and sensible (if you don't know her views). Regan on the other hand is more pro-independence but she is a bit JK Rowlingy, and in image terms does come across as permanently annoyed and rather unlikable. I suspect it was both that and not having anywhere near enough friends and supporters in the party which made her an also-ran. Image is obviously important in politics, which is one of the reasons Swinney seems like an odd step here unless the plan is to bore everyone into submission. On the other hand, no one is standing out. I've always quite liked Angus Robertson but he seems out of the picture for some reason. Swinney as caretaker manager for 2 seasons 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 16 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Would you tell the parents of Alesha Macphail that the person who killed their kid (who the snp deemed old enough to vote) doesnt belong in prison? Would you be so glib about it as you have here? I dont want to be glib about it...........but, iirc the Chief Inspector of Prisons actually wanted a change to secure accommodation a few years ago, and the bill had support from other parties? I suppose its designed to prevent young vulnerable bams from turning into older and more hardened bams in places like Polmont................although I do appreciate that there are some offenders - like the guy you mention above - who really do need to go away for a long time. Obviously you see more of the end result than me. The UN actually want under 25s removed from the prison system, no sure I agree with that ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 It's probably a symptom of unconscious bigotry, but I'd find it hard to vote for someone with Ash Regan's accent even if she wasn't an utter fruitloop. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 6 hours ago, ICTChris said: One interesting thing is that absolutely nobody has mentioned Angus Robertson as a potential leader. Just totally gone from the conversation after being such a major figure. Jim Sillars on SKy just then saying he backed Kate Forbes, for what that's worth. Doesn't have anything like the level of support needed to run. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Just now, DeeTillEhDeh said: Doesn't have anything like the level of support needed to run. Doesn't want it either, I don't think. Cited having a young family for saying no the last time out so he'll still be in the same situ a year on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jupiter Jazz Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Humza Yousaf’s government passed a law that says that no one under the age of 18 can be put in a prison/young offenders institute even if they commit murder, rape etc. One of the most horrific calculated acts ive ever known was committed by someone who at 16 under this legislation wouldn’t be in a prison or YOI to keep the public safe despite showing no remorse and clear attempts to hide the crime, unspeakable evil, Natalie Don, the childrens minister stood up in parliament and boasted about this. Its also now ‘being in conflict with the law’ instead of being involved in criminality. There are legal loopholes which the government is aware of in other acts which they ignore, despite again them putting the public at risk. The policies of this SNP government and the performance of the SNP at all levels (except id argue at Westminster where Flynn seems to do a good job) are failing the public, they don’t learn from mistakes, they double down, things arent getting better, under them for the last 17 years, the NHS is failing, legal system broken, the ferry fiasco, honestly we need a break from them. In what way does Flynn do a good job? To me he comes across as obnoxious and condescending. What do the SNP achieve down there? They just shout and bawl from the sidelines and oppose absolutely everything. They even voted against the National Insurance cut! Edited April 29 by Jupiter Jazz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 5 hours ago, Highlandmagar said: Swinney considering standing! Oh god! As if the SNP hasn't enough troubles. Utter disgrace if they choose him. An utter incompetent who has been dreadful in every job he has done 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rael Rover Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 1 hour ago, orfc said: There's nothing like a man who was shit at the job over 20 years ago to turn SNP fortunes around Whoever gets the gig should tell the greenies to do one, they've proven themselves to be unreliable and shout fascist at anyone further right than Karl Marx. Get the Lib Dems on board The same Lib Dems who jumped into bed with the Tories and brought us years of austerity and ultimately Boris the Johnson nearly wiping out their own party as a result? Mind you they did give us Wullie Rennie and his unique brand of promoting his party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 3 hours ago, Leith Green said: Listen tae this fud scratching around for relevance. Tory lite kunts...... Michael Marra was on Radio Scotland as well - they genuinely are a bunch of unlikeable c***s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 1 hour ago, Scary Bear said: I agree the SNP are a leftie shambles 1 hour ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: They need to come back to the centre Wtf 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrExile Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 5 hours ago, orfc said: What's changed since last year? His family getting on his tits by now? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-64671488 Swinney hasn't been arrested so it looks like he will escape branchform. Last year he was potentially in the frame otherwise he would have been sent in as the continuity candidate. Right now he is about the best option of avoiding an election and keeping a fragmented party together. His mandate won't be a fresh start it will be to keep the bodies buried until sufficient time has past and other events are taken care of. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 5 hours ago, welshbairn said: Yousef staying on while a new leader is selected would suggest Swinney is going to make a leadership bid instead of bailing out Yousef as temporary FM to save him from a humiliating and torrid time. Might be better just to call an early election instead of another lengthy and divisive contest to elect another leader without a proper democratic mandate. Hopefully they'd avoid holding it during the Euros though, and it would be great if the Murrell mess is finally settled by then. Am I the only one that remembers the last time Swinney was the leader of the SNP. Jesus, if you think Humza is useless then wait until its Swinney. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Swinney wouldnt end well imo. Its clearly a caretaker role. He will get hammered for that on a daily basis from all sides, oppostion parties and media. Someone in the SNP needs to show some courage and step up and show some vision otherwise this is just another slide further downwards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: The idea that any political party should be a ‘broad church’ should have its limitations. There should be no room for homophobes or creationists in the SNP. It is supposed to be the Scottish National Party. If you want a party that expels standing politicians and members based on not particularly consequential views being turned into breaches of a virtue-signalling party constitution, then you're looking for the Scottish Greens instead. Funny to see you try the 'creationist' line out because even your Poundland Dawkins tribute act can't risk taking the next logical step in your argument. Edited April 29 by vikingTON 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 1 hour ago, Leith Green said: I dont want to be glib about it...........but, iirc the Chief Inspector of Prisons actually wanted a change to secure accommodation a few years ago, and the bill had support from other parties? I suppose its designed to prevent young vulnerable bams from turning into older and more hardened bams in places like Polmont................although I do appreciate that there are some offenders - like the guy you mention above - who really do need to go away for a long time. Obviously you see more of the end result than me. The UN actually want under 25s removed from the prison system, no sure I agree with that ! I agree that young people should not routinely be put into prisons, again for reasons youve listed. But i do believe in the most serious cases, with judicial approval young people over the age of 16 who commit the most serious of crimes like cold blooded murder, serious sexual offences and repeated serious violent acts yes, these people should be in young offender institutes. Again, shouldnt be routinely what happens, only in the most very serious cases, but a blanket ban is dangerous. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 59 minutes ago, Jupiter Jazz said: In what way does Flynn do a good job? To me he comes across as obnoxious and condescending. What do the SNP achieve down there? They just shout and bawl from the sidelines and oppose absolutely everything. They even voted against the National Insurance cut! You think they should have voted in favour of making people who earn less than £26k poorer? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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