Sherrif John Bunnell Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 I always liked Shewan when he was at Nairn. He's not the most flashy player, but he hassles defences all day long. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 On 06/05/2024 at 14:38, welshbairn said: I meant their first season, they came 3rd, Golspie 6th. I reckon Strathspey would have beaten them in the play offs anyway. To be fair, in that case we'd first have played Fort William and I reckon we'd have beaten them first and went on to play Strathspey. There are some countries, I believe Germany is one of them, who have a rule in lower divisions that if a champion (or another club in a promotion spot) is ineligible, it does get passed down but with a caveat that it can only go x places lower. For example, a runner-up or 3rd placed team can take the place of a champion, but the 4th placed team can't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 On 06/05/2024 at 10:12, welshbairn said: Having the highest placed licensed club being promoted/playoffed instead of only the champions could have meant Fort William bouncing straight back up after spending 20 plus years at the foot of the Highland League. Also could have meant Lochee United! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 17 hours ago, Marten said: To be fair, in that case we'd first have played Fort William and I reckon we'd have beaten them first and went on to play Strathspey. There are some countries, I believe Germany is one of them, who have a rule in lower divisions that if a champion (or another club in a promotion spot) is ineligible, it does get passed down but with a caveat that it can only go x places lower. For example, a runner-up or 3rd placed team can take the place of a champion, but the 4th placed team can't. You don't need to look as far away as Germany for lower placed licenced clubs to be promoted instead of unlicenced champion clubs e.g. Wales. In the English pyramid some clubs can be ineligible for promotion for one season, under certain circumstances, so that if they do finish in a promotion or play-off position they cannot go up or compete in the play-offs. This has lead to clubs from outside the play-off spots being brought into the promotion play-offs and could lead to play-off position clubs being promoted - where the champions cannot go up. Funny how the Scottish pyramid seems to be aimed at protecting clubs from finding their own level via relegation(s) yet other footballing nations take a remarkably contrary view! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev8122 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 On 07/05/2024 at 14:37, CountyinBorders said: Who's the favourite for the Buckie job? Nice to see Gary Wood taking his first steps into management at Deveronvale. Hope he does well. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vale Vale Vale Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 2 hours ago, Kev8122 said: Nice to see Gary Wood taking his first steps into management at Deveronvale. Hope he does well. Cheers Kev. Heres hoping he can push us up the table a bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 On 07/05/2024 at 14:37, CountyinBorders said: Who's the favourite for the Buckie job? On 07/05/2024 at 14:49, TheScarf said: The player-assistant Lewis MacKinnon I've heard. Signed up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 On 08/05/2024 at 12:08, Dev said: You don't need to look as far away as Germany for lower placed licenced clubs to be promoted instead of unlicenced champion clubs e.g. Wales. In the English pyramid some clubs can be ineligible for promotion for one season, under certain circumstances, so that if they do finish in a promotion or play-off position they cannot go up or compete in the play-offs. This has lead to clubs from outside the play-off spots being brought into the promotion play-offs and could lead to play-off position clubs being promoted - where the champions cannot go up. Funny how the Scottish pyramid seems to be aimed at protecting clubs from finding their own level via relegation(s) yet other footballing nations take a remarkably contrary view! In the English National League play-offs this season Gateshead were ineligible for promotion and they weren't replaced in the play-off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Some people will just never accept that ineligible clubs don't get replaced, their opposition just get a bye to the next stage. The way it should be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 8 hours ago, TheScarf said: Some people will just never accept that ineligible clubs don't get replaced, their opposition just get a bye to the next stage. The way it should be. I'd prefer it if there was a mechanism for clubs to decline promotion, like they have in some other countries such as the Netherlands. They could state their intention at the start of the season and the highest-placed eligible club go into the play-offs, provided they finish within the top 3 or whatever. But as it stands it's definitely not unfair, it's just the way it is. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 14 Author Share Posted May 14 (edited) I'd like to see Champions of the LL and HL given a guaranteed year to upgrade to bronze, and only after they replace club 42. This is not excusing Buckie, who were clearly taking the pish and trying to avoid promotion, but having to spend money upgrading when you don't even know if you'll make the playoffs is mental. Edited May 14 by welshbairn 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 7 hours ago, welshbairn said: I'd like to see Champions of the LL and HL given a guaranteed year to upgrade to bronze, and only after they replace club 42. This is not excusing Buckie, who were clearly taking the pish and trying to avoid promotion, but having to spend money upgrading when you don't even know if you'll make the playoffs is mental. Well no, they could simply stop spunking money on players for a year or two to get their house in order to play at SPFL level. It's almost as if that investment should take priority over just handing over money to pure mercenaries at any level of the pyramid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 14 Author Share Posted May 14 1 minute ago, virginton said: Well no, they could simply stop spunking money on players for a year or two to get their house in order to play at SPFL level. It's almost as if that investment should take priority over just handing over money to pure mercenaries at any level of the pyramid. There's a very good chance they'll never play at SPFL level, so why spunk money on something they don't want or need? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 5 minutes ago, welshbairn said: There's a very good chance they'll never play at SPFL level, so why spunk money on something they don't want or need? Why is there a very good chance they'll never play at SPFL level? If they don't want the opportunity to progress then they can simply continue with their current policy - and the authorities will do likewise. It's not the job of the league above to hand out waivers and stays of execution based on pinky promises to develop infrastructure later - money that would either then be spunked on more players to 'compete', or the same mewling about the injustice of it all dished out from within the tent. The biggest mistake with the pyramid was not implementing serious minimum standards for club infrastructure from the very beginning - and clubs who are not up to scratch within the SPFL now should be getting turned back out too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 14 Author Share Posted May 14 (edited) 14 minutes ago, virginton said: Why is there a very good chance they'll never play at SPFL level? If they don't want the opportunity to progress then they can simply continue with their current policy - and the authorities will do likewise. It's not the job of the league above to hand out waivers and stays of execution based on pinky promises to develop infrastructure later - money that would either then be spunked on more players to 'compete', or the same mewling about the injustice of it all dished out from within the tent. The biggest mistake with the pyramid was not implementing serious minimum standards for club infrastructure from the very beginning - and clubs who are not up to scratch within the SPFL now should be getting turned back out too. So how far down would you go in the pyramid with an insistence for bronze level licensing? The North Caley? EOSL 3rd division? SPFL sides have been given years to upgrade and some of them still haven't done it, LL and HL sides are expected to do it in months on the basis of a theoretical possibility of promotion, it's mental. Buckie and every other Highland League club but for Banks o Dee offer fans and players a far better experience than the likes of East Kilbride, who have their bronze ticket from the SFA. Edited May 14 by welshbairn 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 3 hours ago, welshbairn said: So how far down would you go in the pyramid with an insistence for bronze level licensing? The North Caley? EOSL 3rd division? The insistence on bronze level should be to play at SPFL, national level. I've no idea what straw man you are attempting to construct here. Quote SPFL sides have been given years to upgrade and some of them still haven't done it, Whataboutery. Quote LL and HL sides are expected to do it in months on the basis of a theoretical possibility of promotion, it's mental. Well no - if the SPFL clubs had years to make the changes, then it logically follows that tier 5 clubs also had the exact same number of years to get their houses in order. The requirements were in the public domain. Quote Buckie and every other Highland League club but for Banks o Dee offer fans and players a far better experience than the likes of East Kilbride, who have their bronze ticket from the SFA. The objective criteria of licensing disagrees - dry your eyes. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) 6 hours ago, welshbairn said: There's a very good chance they'll never play at SPFL level, so why spunk money on something they don't want or need? Correct, and this is where the Bronze Licence requirement is flawed. Clubs will go only so far down the path and draw a halt to see whether they are actually going to need one. Why source a GP and pay for his services if it isn't required for example, or upgrade lights to a higher lux which can be very expensive, if it's not actually required. Clubs in HL and LL will therefore always be playing with fire when it comes to a Bronze Licence and most will go to the last deadline before being awarded one which can go badly wrong. That really shouldn't happen. If clubs can show they are some way down the Bronze path to a certain point, perhaps by ticking off the less arduous requirements by 31st March and can show they will meet the remainder within 12 months, then they should get an automatic derogation. The GP requirement should be launched anyway. Don't argue with the Virgin, he's clueless and life's too short. Edited May 14 by Burnieman 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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EdinburghBlue Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Congratulations to Banks o' Dee on getting a Bronze license today 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladstone Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, EdinburghBlue said: Congratulations to Banks o' Dee on getting a Bronze license today Wishing them well for 24/25. IMO any club with ambition should be working for this. Shame on the Buckie dinosaurs who could not be arsed, I noticed East Kilbride in LL had no problem there, and it will be touch and go between them and Stranraer. Pity as Buckie could well have beaten EK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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