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1 minute ago, sjc said:

Who was he before the platinum name change.

I don't know. You used to be able to tell before the upgrade but now there's no way I don't think. Gunther in particular likes this new feature.

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11 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

I found this image quite interesting regarding the gender pay gap:

Basically when men and women are judged on doing the same job at the same level in the same company then there is virtually no pay gap. Jordan Peterson is a guy I've found recently (thanks to his absolute murdering of Cathy Newman) and he seems to talk a lot of sense on these issues.

Sounds like banana.

http://www.macleans.ca/opinion/is-jordan-peterson-the-stupid-mans-smart-person/

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5 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

I appreciate he's not everyone's cup of tea but that article is taking parts of sentences he's said and using them against him, it can be easy to take things like that out of context. Newman tried to do the same in that interview and got absolutely destroyed to the point where her brain stopped working. I would hate to be grouped with the likes of banana, and I must say I don't agree with everything Peterson says or writes, but I found his analysis of the pay gap stuff fairly hard to disagree with.

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10 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

I found this image quite interesting regarding the gender pay gap:

Image result for pay gap doesn't exist graphic

Basically when men and women are judged on doing the same job at the same level in the same company then there is virtually no pay gap. Jordan Peterson is a guy I've found recently (thanks to his absolute murdering of Cathy Newman) and he seems to talk a lot of sense on these issues.

I've often wondered if these stats allow for women taking time out to have and bring up children? I know the U.K. now has paternity leave for men but in pretty much all cases of friends I know the mother chooses to stay at home for the early formative years. Nothing wrong with that as it's a vitally important job (I'll be a stay at home Dad from April) but can you really expect to paid the same as a coworker after a 2-5 year absence, particularly in ever evolving industries such as IT?

My earning power as a freelancer in my previous career was down to market rates and the strength of my negotiating from literally naming your price in the boom time to begging in the bust.... .was the same for most plus not many women in the construction industry though so not enough data for me to say I saw a disproportionate pay scale between the sexes.

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2 minutes ago, sjc said:

I've often wondered if these stats allow for women taking time out to have and bring up children? I know the U.K. now has paternity leave for men but in pretty much all cases of friends I know the mother chooses to stay at home for the early formative years. Nothing wrong with that as it's a vitally important job (I'll be a stay at home Dad from April) but can you really expect to paid the same as a coworker after a 2-5 year absence, particularly in ever evolving industries such as IT?

My earning power as a freelancer in my previous career was down to market rates and the strength of my negotiating from literally naming your price in the boom time to begging in the bust.... .was the same for most plus not many women in the construction industry though so not enough data for me to say I saw a disproportionate pay scale between the sexes.

It's based on full-time pay.

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Just now, sjc said:

Does it allow for scenarios such as the one I mentioned? e.g. Breaks in full time employment?

I assume it's not taking that into account as maternity/paternity leave doesn't give the woman/man full-time pay. I can't be certain though, would need to look back at the study.

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7 minutes ago, sjc said:

I've often wondered if these stats allow for women taking time out to have and bring up children? I know the U.K. now has paternity leave for men but in pretty much all cases of friends I know the mother chooses to stay at home for the early formative years. Nothing wrong with that as it's a vitally important job (I'll be a stay at home Dad from April) but can you really expect to paid the same as a coworker after a 2-5 year absence, particularly in ever evolving industries such as IT?

it probably contributes to the narrowing of the gap towards the higher-end of the pay scale;  i imagine that women in executive roles are  far better placed to plan their families and take shorter periods of maternity leave, if they wish, with paid-for childcare being a more viable option for them than staff at the lower end of the scale; less time off must equate to a lesser impact of the potential pay-gap which may develop over lengthier absence; in simple terms, female executives have the facility to earn more money over a longer period of time compared lower paid colleagues who are - to a certain extent - left with little or no option other than to take unpaid time out, hence more equivalence with male colleagues on similar pay grades at the top end

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42 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

I appreciate he's not everyone's cup of tea but that article is taking parts of sentences he's said and using them against him, it can be easy to take things like that out of context. Newman tried to do the same in that interview and got absolutely destroyed to the point where her brain stopped working. I would hate to be grouped with the likes of banana, and I must say I don't agree with everything Peterson says or writes, but I found his analysis of the pay gap stuff fairly hard to disagree with.

Found the interview and he was impressive over the gender pay gap. Descended into waffle over trans marxism and the lobster hierarchy though. Surprised to read about all the fuss though, her getting loads of threats from his alt right fanboys apparently. Decent combatative interview on both sides I thought.

 

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11 minutes ago, Herman Hessian said:

it probably contributes to the narrowing of the gap towards the higher-end of the pay scale;  i imagine that women in executive roles are  far better placed to plan their families and take shorter periods of maternity leave, if they wish, with paid-for childcare being a more viable option for them than staff at the lower end of the scale; less time off must equate to a lesser impact of the potential pay-gap which may develop over lengthier absence; in simple terms, female executives have the facility to earn more money over a longer period of time compared lower paid colleagues who are - to a certain extent - left with little or no option other than to take unpaid time out, hence more equivalence with male colleagues on similar pay grades at the top end

Possibly. That's the problem with statistics on this matter, too many variables when looking at the subject as a whole.

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21 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

I assume it's not taking that into account as maternity/paternity leave doesn't give the woman/man full-time pay. I can't be certain though, would need to look back at the study.

You'd expect a break in full time employment to affect the pay balance though which kind of defeats the purpose of producing such stats! 

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24 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Found the interview and he was impressive over the gender pay gap. Descended into waffle over trans marxism and the lobster hierarchy though. Surprised to read about all the fuss though, her getting loads of threats from his alt right fanboys apparently. Decent combatative interview on both sides I thought.

 

Agree totally.

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