Unpopular opinions.

[tamthebam]

1 minute ago, BTFD said:

I'm liking how this is a popular sentiment despite no examples being given. Pub car king could be talking about cerebral palsy or making a veiled comment about the inferiority of certain races (please pretend you were, just for the craic).

When I was a kid, it was dyslexics who were routinely classed as thickos by folk who knew more than "experts", so I am curious about which groups are the modern day equivalent.

People spend far too much time talking about things that happen "these days" that aren't a recent occurrence. There used to be a God-botherer on every television programme where serious social issues were being discussed, and the media was swamped with astrologers when I was a kid. Folk have been demanding that their baseless hunches be taken seriously since Utag the Hairy first declared that the sun wouldn't rise outside of his cave in 50,000 BC.

Utag the Hairy was the first recorded resident of Greenock so he was right.

 

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

3 minutes ago, tamthebam said:

Utag the Hairy was the first recorded resident of Greenock so he was right.

 

He had a cousin from Ireland called Al O'pecia.

[BFTD]

3 minutes ago, tamthebam said:

Utag the Hairy was the first recorded resident of Greenock so he was right.

 

I was literally expecting the first answer to be "Morton fans"...P&B never disappoints!

[scottsdad]

11 hours ago, BTFD said:

I'm liking how this is a popular sentiment despite no examples being given. Pub car king could be talking about cerebral palsy or making a veiled comment about the inferiority of certain races (please pretend you were, just for the craic).

When I was a kid, it was dyslexics who were routinely classed as thickos by folk who knew more than "experts", so I am curious about which groups are the modern day equivalent.

People spend far too much time talking about things that happen "these days" that aren't a recent occurrence. There used to be a God-botherer on every television programme where serious social issues were being discussed, and the media was swamped with astrologers when I was a kid. Folk have been demanding that their baseless hunches be taken seriously since Utag the Hairy first declared that the sun wouldn't rise outside of his cave in 50,000 BC.

I'm still not all that keen on left handed people being given equal status. 

They are, literally, sinister. 

[pub car king]

If you want an example of someone who isn't very clever but is unlikely to have a recognised diagnosis then watch anything with John "Yogi" Hughes speaking. 

 

[velo army]

13 hours ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said:

He had a cousin from Ireland called Al O'pecia.

Didn't Neymar just sign for them?

[RH33]

14 hours ago, BTFD said:

I'm liking how this is a popular sentiment despite no examples being given. Pub car king could be talking about cerebral palsy or making a veiled comment about the inferiority of certain races (please pretend you were, just for the craic).

When I was a kid, it was dyslexics who were routinely classed as thickos by folk who knew more than "experts", so I am curious about which groups are the modern day equivalent.

People spend far too much time talking about things that happen "these days" that aren't a recent occurrence. There used to be a God-botherer on every television programme where serious social issues were being discussed, and the media was swamped with astrologers when I was a kid. Folk have been demanding that their baseless hunches be taken seriously since Utag the Hairy first declared that the sun wouldn't rise outside of his cave in 50,000 BC.

ADHD

Now there are plenty cases where kids have issues but at the previous school there was a family where all five kids were diagnosed. They were just unruly little shits with scumbag parents.

At least by having 'diagnosis' school got money for ASNA to basically chase them around the school while the parents gave it poooorrr wee Jayden and boast about how they were getting a fortune in DLA.

[tongue_tied_danny]

Missing in Action > Rambo

[Shotgun]

8 hours ago, RH33 said:

ADHD

Now there are plenty cases where kids have issues but at the previous school there was a family where all five kids were diagnosed. They were just unruly little shits with scumbag parents.

At least by having 'diagnosis' school got money for ASNA to basically chase them around the school while the parents gave it poooorrr wee Jayden and boast about how they were getting a fortune in DLA.

I’ve encountered people who tell me their kids have ADHD in a tone that sounds like they think it means “A PhD”. 

No, your kid is a horrible little brat because you’re shit at parenting. 

[vikingTON]

The deputy leader of Inverclyde Council got a front page splash this week in the local rag for 'bravely disclosing' an ADHD diagnosis. Discarding the usual, unquantifiable bullshit like 'brain fog', the tangible effects of this crippling obstacle amounts to, err, having to take lots of notes at council meetings. 

The reality is that she visited an educational psychologist - psychologists being the lightly regulated, quack discipline of medicine - and got a purely self-affirming 'diagnosis' in exchange for a healthy fee. 

See also the increasingly widespread diagnosis of 'anxiety' - not some demonstrable, extreme anxiety disorder: just generic 'anxiety' in younger people (early 20s and younger) as an Issue Which Needs Accomodation. That generation are only responding naturally to the cues given to them by adult society about how to game the system in their short-term favour and avoid leaving their comfort zone, but are setting themselves up for much greater failure in the future. 

[Sergeant Wilson]

4 minutes ago, virginton said:

The deputy leader of Inverclyde Council got a front page splash this week in the local rag for 'bravely disclosing' an ADHD diagnosis. Discarding the usual, unquantifiable bullshit like 'brain fog', the tangible effects of this crippling obstacle amounts to, err, having to take lots of notes at council meetings. 

The reality is that she visited an educational psychologist - psychologists being the lightly regulated, quack discipline of medicine - and got a purely self-affirming 'diagnosis' in exchange for a healthy fee. 

See also the increasingly widespread diagnosis of 'anxiety' - not some demonstrable, extreme anxiety disorder: just generic 'anxiety' in younger people (early 20s and younger) as an Issue Which Needs Accomodation. That generation are only responding naturally to the cues given to them by adult society about how to game the system in their short-term favour and avoid leaving their comfort zone, but are setting themselves up for much greater failure in the future. 

I raise you Adjustment Disorder!

[19QOS19]

11 hours ago, RH33 said:

ADHD

Now there are plenty cases where kids have issues but at the previous school there was a family where all five kids were diagnosed. They were just unruly little shits with scumbag parents.

At least by having 'diagnosis' school got money for ASNA to basically chase them around the school while the parents gave it poooorrr wee Jayden and boast about how they were getting a fortune in DLA.

 

2 hours ago, Shotgun said:

I’ve encountered people who tell me their kids have ADHD in a tone that sounds like they think it means “A PhD”. 

No, your kid is a horrible little brat because you’re shit at parenting. 

Yip. Have a cousin who's been "diagnosed" with this and it's a lot of shite IMO. Had him round a couple of times to play with my kids and he's absolutely fine behaviour wise (sadly he's about a year behind developmentally). The problem with him is his shit parents and the lack of attention/discipline he receives. He completely wrecked his nursery classroom last year after being asked to put something away (no rules at home due to lazy parenting). His mum was phoned and she went to the classroom and tidied it up. And then after being told he was to go home for the day, I shit you not, she took him for a McDonalds en route home. "Here son, you've behaved appallingly, have a treat". Fucking useless. 

Too many folk are gagging for a diagnosis to cover up the fact they're useless parents. 

Edited August 25, 2023 by 19QOS19

[Shandon Par]

10 hours ago, virginton said:

'bravely disclosing' an ADHD diagnosis.

Listening to podcasts all day as I tend to do at work, I can tell a mile off that this revelation by some bitter, washed up middle aged comic or entertainer is on the way. 

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/319841 

[ICTChris]

I know a number of people who have been diagnosed with ADHD as adults in the last couple of years. There seem to be quite a few disorders like this that are very much in vogue. Perhaps I’m being cynical but the fact that the medication you get for it has what some people consider positive side effects might have something to do with it.

Another example of a modern ailment that gets pushed due to drug seeking is low testosterone. I know a couple of people who have been diagnosed with this due to hugely spurious private ‘clinics’ giving them an online check. The treatment has significant side effects especially when you go off it but I’m sure getting whacked with a load of exogenous testosterone feels pretty good.

[RH33]

11 hours ago, virginton said:

The deputy leader of Inverclyde Council got a front page splash this week in the local rag for 'bravely disclosing' an ADHD diagnosis. Discarding the usual, unquantifiable bullshit like 'brain fog', the tangible effects of this crippling obstacle amounts to, err, having to take lots of notes at council meetings. 

The reality is that she visited an educational psychologist - psychologists being the lightly regulated, quack discipline of medicine - and got a purely self-affirming 'diagnosis' in exchange for a healthy fee. 

See also the increasingly widespread diagnosis of 'anxiety' - not some demonstrable, extreme anxiety disorder: just generic 'anxiety' in younger people (early 20s and younger) as an Issue Which Needs Accomodation. That generation are only responding naturally to the cues given to them by adult society about how to game the system in their short-term favour and avoid leaving their comfort zone, but are setting themselves up for much greater failure in the future. 

There was a documentary on BBC 1 recently looking at private clinics. Guy went through full NHS assessment and wasn't ADHD but two private clinics diagnosed him in under an hour. Then benefited from the recurring cost of writing the prescriptions.

When I was discussing asking for ASD assesment I said I was very aware of growing trendiness. Nurse was saying a huge percentage early 20's are coming through door looking for a label, ADHD being popular.

In my very basic observation of society there seems be a growing view of a child being the parents wee prince or princess and being their bestie. Not putting rules and boundaries in place may be easy for the parent but the consequences are then seen in nurseries/schools etc.

My youngest is waiting assesment, I've learnt what is meltdown/can't cope and what is being a wee shit. She's been told several times that I accept she may well be ASD however there is still behaviour that's just unacceptable.

 

[Sergeant Wilson]

11 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

I know a number of people who have been diagnosed with ADHD as adults in the last couple of years. There seem to be quite a few disorders like this that are very much in vogue. Perhaps I’m being cynical but the fact that the medication you get for it has what some people consider positive side effects might have something to do with it.

Another example of a modern ailment that gets pushed due to drug seeking is low testosterone. I know a couple of people who have been diagnosed with this due to hugely spurious private ‘clinics’ giving them an online check. The treatment has significant side effects especially when you go off it but I’m sure getting whacked with a load of exogenous testosterone feels pretty good.

It's like VAR. The technology and minute accuracy of tests allows experts to make decisions they couldn't have before. You can be a millimetre offside and it'll get picked up. You can be on whatever spectrum at a minimal level and it'll get identified and diagnosed. Previously you were just thick/a c**t.

[ICTChris]

38 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

It's like VAR. The technology and minute accuracy of tests allows experts to make decisions they couldn't have before. You can be a millimetre offside and it'll get picked up. You can be on whatever spectrum at a minimal level and it'll get identified and diagnosed. Previously you were just thick/a c**t.

We have a family friend who is a teacher in a special needs school and they once remarked about the increasing prevalence of autism diagnosis - the kids they worked with were severely disabled and often unable to communicate. Now you have kids at a much lower level being diagnosed, with a spectrum within that of kids who have meltdowns and can’t cope with over stimulation to kids who are just obsessed with Dr Who. 

I was born in 1980 and in school until 1998 and there were a few kids who looking back would clearly meet a diagnosis for Asperger’s or autism spectrum disorder etc. Maybe kids like that have easier lives in school now, maybe too many are swept up in it. I also know that there is huge anxiety among parents about their kids being on target for milestones and normal, in many many different ways so I bet that drives some of it.

[Bairnardo]

The wife works in an additional needs setting and they recently had a bit of a training course where she basically, in layman's terms, described it to me that it was about studies into how early years parental neglect can contribute to autism. When you think about it, brain development is happening at such a rate when young and parents have a big role in that. I'm not sure that autism can be "caused", but it certainly seems to be the theory that it can made much much worse by shite parenting in those early years.

One of the saddest things about it was an example used where someone was doing studies in the effect of the parent denying eye contact to their baby. 

[Boo Khaki]

I'm sceptical that parental neglect contributes to autism since autism is a neurological processing difference, but it undoubtedly contributes to malformed personality and resultant behavioural issues. I have no doubt that autistic children whose parents are neglectful will display different behaviours, possibly magnified disfunction, to those who have decent parents, but that's true of any child regardless of autism, so if anything I would say that it's a case of neglect leading to bigger behavioural issues in all children, and not necessarily anything to do with autism at all.

[Thane of Cawdor]

42 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

The wife works in an additional needs setting and they recently had a bit of a training course where she basically, in layman's terms, described it to me that it was about studies into how early years parental neglect can contribute to autism. When you think about it, brain development is happening at such a rate when young and parents have a big role in that. I'm not sure that autism can be "caused", but it certainly seems to be the theory that it can made much much worse by shite parenting in those early years.

One of the saddest things about it was an example used where someone was doing studies in the effect of the parent denying eye contact to their baby. 

The term "refrigerator mother" was coined by Austrian psychiatrist Leo Kanner in the 1940s to describe a mother whose cold, uncaring style so traumatized her child that they retreated into autism.1 The concept caused enormous pain for many families for decades before it was debunked.