Shodwall cat Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Toronto Black Cat said: Apologies it was absolutely not my intention to patronise your fan base, it was a comment on the public in general. People love to be told how great things are going to be and tend to be putty in the hands of those who sell them these pipe dreams. This is what will happen on Monday and I pray for your sake your board have the best interests of the club at heart. If they do this is all a moot point because the sale won't even get close to going through. Regarding this "feckin evidence", as I said earlier I have emailed one of the guys who organised the background check requesting a copy, or at least a summary, as yet I've had no reply but given it's a work email address and it's the weekend I'm not particularly shocked by this. I can totally understand why you're turning on me because I'm an outsider coming here and telling you your business. It's your club not mine and I'm not going to pretend to have any love for it but I am a football fan and I would hate to see a club in danger through no fault of the fans. You could maybe explain how hes going to con us out of the no money or assets we currently have? That and the zero plans we have in progress to make any. Or is he actually conning himself in this move? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud1876 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 And where are we going to get this 3 million dollars fae?Selling ching [emoji106] 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronto Black Cat Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 I don't know what your clubs assests are and if I'm truthful I don't even know what your stadium is called let alone wether you own it. All that is completely missing the point though, we didn't know what his exact plans for Sunderland where but what we did find out is that the plans he was attempting to sell the fans were downright lies and his history ranged from sketchy to downright disgraceful. That was enough to convince us that he was not a man we wanted in charge of our club and when you see the information I am 100% convinced you'll feel exactly the same. Honestly if you want to focus your anger and swear at me that's absolutely fine. Vent if you need to. I've said it numerous times but it's worth repeating, if your board are remotely competent this all a moot point and will be nothing more than a close call. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic_17_uk Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 I just pray this guy is the real deal so that I can get the ST renewed. Is this still a thing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic_17_uk Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 As long as the costs of developing the surrounding area is not passed through the books of Falkirk FC leaving us in a debt ridden position and open to dissolution.....Absolutely this. How this will be managed is the main question which needs answered tomorrow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Toronto Black Cat said: Regarding this "feckin evidence", as I said earlier I have emailed one of the guys who organised the background check requesting a copy, or at least a summary, as yet I've had no reply What, you haven't read it, even a summary? Call me amazed. Edited July 28, 2019 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, Toronto Black Cat said: I don't know what your clubs assests are and if I'm truthful I don't even know what your stadium is called let alone wether you own it. All that is completely missing the point though, we didn't know what his exact plans for Sunderland where but what we did find out is that the plans he was attempting to sell the fans were downright lies and his history ranged from sketchy to downright disgraceful. That was enough to convince us that he was not a man we wanted in charge of our club and when you see the information I am 100% convinced you'll feel exactly the same. Honestly if you want to focus your anger and swear at me that's absolutely fine. Vent if you need to. I've said it numerous times but it's worth repeating, if your board are remotely competent this all a moot point and will be nothing more than a close call. I just would like to see what this guy is about and as you say if he isnt the right man this will be found out whe due dilligence is carried out by the sfa and our board. Im quite happy to go with their findings and not the findings of a deranged guy photographing twitter or some boy whose been paid by a few boys tk rake up shit. I'd be more interested tk hear whst stuart donald has to say as he seems very quiet on the whole thing. I would have thought he wouldve publicly warned any clubs off these guys if they were the massive sheisters you and your mates seem to think they are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roman_bairn Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 I don't know what your clubs assests are and if I'm truthful I don't even know what your stadium is called let alone wether you own it. All that is completely missing the point though, we didn't know what his exact plans for Sunderland where but what we did find out is that the plans he was attempting to sell the fans were downright lies and his history ranged from sketchy to downright disgraceful. That was enough to convince us that he was not a man we wanted in charge of our club and when you see the information I am 100% convinced you'll feel exactly the same. Honestly if you want to focus your anger and swear at me that's absolutely fine. Vent if you need to. I've said it numerous times but it's worth repeating, if your board are remotely competent this all a moot point and will be nothing more than a close call. The problem here is you continue to offer nothing more than those that harp on about low level goings on in the Bexley area.If i’m to be concerned it might have more to do with who is funding him from the Far East tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav-ffc Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 I might be missing something but checking companies house for companies he owns when he has American investments... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Bilko Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Shodwall cat said: I'd be more interested to hear what stuart donald has to say as he seems very quiet on the whole thing. I would have thought he wouldve publicly warned any clubs off these guys if they were the massive sheisters you and your mates seem to think they are. 100% this. Won't look good on Sunderlands directors if he turns out to be untrustworthy and they kept quiet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 If he does indeed prove to be the fantasist some claim him to be, then whether or not he is dropped like a hot potato, our MSG would have surpassed themselves in the incompetence stakes by merely granting him preferred bidder status. Given this is hard nosed business......an area most of our MSG would profess to being their area of expertise, then allowing this to get even this far will make them look extremely foolish (again). Say it ain’t so Joe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggerG Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, Sgt Bilko said: 100% this. Won't look good on Sunderlands directors if he turns out to be untrustworthy and they kept quiet. As the MSG claim to have the interests of the club at heart then I'm sure the phone call to Sunderland has already been made! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 I just would like to see what this guy is about and as you say if he isnt the right man this will be found out whe due dilligence is carried out by the sfa and our board. Im quite happy to go with their findings and not the findings of a deranged guy photographing twitter or some boy whose been paid by a few boys tk rake up shit. I'd be more interested tk hear whst stuart donald has to say as he seems very quiet on the whole thing. I would have thought he wouldve publicly warned any clubs off these guys if they were the massive sheisters you and your mates seem to think they are.Since we have talked to this guy since March or April you would hope we are not just starting now on checking him out 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sgt Bilko said: 100% this. Won't look good on Sunderlands directors if he turns out to be untrustworthy and they kept quiet. Thing is, the Sunderland FC BoD are not the fraud squad. I doubt very much if not dobbing in a questionable “businessman” to a tier 3 football club in another country would affect their standing in the slightest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, gav-ffc said: I might be missing something but checking companies house for companies he owns when he has American investments... And we're not looking for a riches beyond imagination type here, more the risk of a Calum Melville than a Craig Whyte or Charles Greene. Someone who has done quite well for himself in property and maybe has some backers won't necessarily hit the top regions of google search. It's obviously wise to be cautious until his money is on the table, and information about reserves if needed, and its source transparent, but the random attacks from suspiciously motivated sources with zero evidence warm me to him if anything. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Bilko Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Duncan Freemason said: Thing is, the Sunderland FC BoD are not the fraud squad. I doubt very much if not dobbing in a questionable “businessman” to a tier 3 football club in another country would affect their standing in the slightest. Agree with you statement no need to worry about us minnows. I'd like to think maybe they'd report to a higher football authority if indeed this person/consortium are as unscrupulous as a lot of people are making out. The next few weeks will be interesting and hopefully won't take too much away from our first game on Saturday. Hopefully change will happen, were due a bit of luck. Edited July 28, 2019 by Sgt Bilko Grammar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Lecturer Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Been in a drunken stag do stupor for 3 days and I’ve missed most of the goings on, tried to go back a few pages but it’s not made things any clearer. I’m getting the fear with this guy, however John park is a decent guy and I wouldn’t think he’d ruin the reputation he has getting into bed with a potential con man. I keep seeing there’s a fans meeting, I think I’d like to go to that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, Duncan Freemason said: Thing is, the Sunderland FC BoD are not the fraud squad. I doubt very much if not dobbing in a questionable “businessman” to a tier 3 football club in another country would affect their standing in the slightest. No but their fans will have wanted to know why the deal at Sunderland failed to go through. A statement from the bod explaining that the guy wasn't all he said he was explains that clearly to them but they've no said anything. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG.Colossus Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 if your board are remotely competentWe're screwed! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic_17_uk Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Apologies it was absolutely not my intention to patronise your fan base, it was a comment on the public in general. People love to be told how great things are going to be and tend to be putty in the hands of those who sell them these pipe dreams. This is what will happen on Monday and I pray for your sake your board have the best interests of the club at heart. If they do this is all a moot point because the sale won't even get close to going through. Regarding this "feckin evidence", as I said earlier I have emailed one of the guys who organised the background check requesting a copy, or at least a summary, as yet I've had no reply but given it's a work email address and it's the weekend I'm not particularly shocked by this. I can totally understand why you're turning on me because I'm an outsider coming here and telling you your business. It's your club not mine and I'm not going to pretend to have any love for it but I am a football fan and I would hate to see a club in danger through no fault of the fans. Is this guy on one of your forums? What's his username? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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