NFL General Discussion

[peasy23]

Earliest OBJ can be claimed off waivers is Monday at 4pm. Here is the current order for picks.

[Antiochas III]

I'd bet Jags myself.  

[pozbaird]

So, Broncos trade Von Miller, Ruggs car crash tragedy happens, Congress demand WFT investigation documents, Beckham gets waived by Cleveland, Aaron Rogers is an utter fanny, and Derrick Henry gets ruled out for a long time….

Quiet week in the NFL.

[Fuctifano]

The best two I read were QAaron Rodgers and Karen Rodgers. What a gimp. 

OBJ might well say he's not going to report if claimed to try and force free agency. No idea how easy that is but I'm assuming he didn't leave Cleveland to go to Detroit. 

[GNU_Linux]

Lions have waived WR Tyrell Williams with an injury settlement. Suffered a concussion week 1 & hasn't played since. As Williams was on IR it doesn't free a spot on the 53 man active roster.

Jets FS Marcus Maye done his achilles tendon vs the Colts & could be done for the season.

[Nightmare]

Turns out the earlier reports of OBJ’s salary for the remainder of the year being restructured to a very low figure were untrue.

That price tag for a half-season rental may now put off some of the teams who would have been interested in him at a bargain price.

And as things stand, not many teams even currently have the $7.25m cap space available right now.

[Bully Wee Villa]

Can he not agree to take less or is that against a players' agreement?

[die hard doonhamer]

If he is picked up off waivers then whoever takes him will take on his contract from Cleveland. If he clears waivers then he'll sign somewhere for the league minimum, and Cleveland will still pay the difference between that and his guaranteed contractual money.

[Bully Wee Villa]

So it makes no odds to him financially where he ends up. Can he turn down a team, say to wait for a team that has genuine playoff ambitions, or is it the case that as soon as someone agrees to meet the terms, he signs?

[Swarley]

Seahawks twitter full of "Man, just imagine DK Metcalf, Tyler Lockett and Odell Beckham Jr. all run blocking together"

[Nightmare]

8 hours ago, Small Bovine Maisonette said:

So it makes no odds to him financially where he ends up. Can he turn down a team, say to wait for a team that has genuine playoff ambitions, or is it the case that as soon as someone agrees to meet the terms, he signs?

If he's claimed by a team from waivers then he can't turn them down. I mean, he could technically refuse to play for them, but he'd be forfeiting his salary if he did that.

If he clears waivers, it's open season and teams can bid to sign him as a free agent, which means he'll be able to pick where he wants to go.

[Bully Wee Villa]

Ta. Even though I've been watching NFL for twenty years I still find the trade/wages side of it perplexing!

[Donathan]

Damon Arnette giving Ruggs a run for his money in the game of “which Raiders 2020 first round pick will do the stupidest thing this week?”

 

 

I still give the edge to Ruggs but it’s a close run thing.

 

 

[Nightmare]

Mayock’s policy of drafting “high character” guys is working a treat.

Thankfully he’s hit on a few later picks, because in Ferrell, Jacobs, Abram, Arnette, Ruggs and Leatherwood you’ve got a whole host of 1st round reaches, busts and much worse.

[steelmen]

Mayock’s policy of drafting “high character” guys is working a treat.
Thankfully he’s hit on a few later picks, because in Ferrell, Jacobs, Abram, Arnette, Ruggs and Leatherwood you’ve got a whole host of 1st round reaches, busts and much worse.

It was Denver’s policy for a while to get better players than their draft placing would have gotten them originally but because of off field issues they slid in the draft Roby and Shane Ray the obvious examples. They did ok for a bit but quickly slipped back to their normal character.

Thankfully we have ditched that and now seem to draft captains and athletes… still not winning but the players are behaving themselves

[johnnydun]

1 hour ago, Donathan said:

Damon Arnette giving Ruggs a run for his money in the game of “which Raiders 2020 first round pick will do the stupidest thing this week?”

 

 

I still give the edge to Ruggs but it’s a close run thing.

 

 

Maybe moving to Vegas wasn't such a good idea.

[Nightmare]

17 minutes ago, steelmen said:

It was Denver’s policy for a while to get better players than their draft placing would have gotten them originally but because of off field issues they slid in the draft Roby and Shane Ray the obvious examples. They did ok for a bit but quickly slipped back to their normal character.

Thankfully we have ditched that and now seem to draft captains and athletes… still not winning but the players are behaving themselves

That sounds like the old Al Davis model. He took all kinds of characters on as reclamation projects, and was very successful with it.

I guess realistically "character" can go either way. Because now we're trying to draft guys that are meant to be model citizens who will keep out of trouble, but this last week or so has shown that up as a failure of an idea.

 

Maybe Vegas is heightening the chances of players getting into trouble, but I'm not so sure. Places like New York, Los Angeles and Miami have a ton of distractions for young players as well and I don't think players at teams from these locations get in trouble any more than those in more "boring" cities.

Edited November 6, 2021 by Nightmare

[Raidernation]

Damon Arnette giving Ruggs a run for his money in the game of “which Raiders 2020 first round pick will do the stupidest thing this week?”
 
 
I still give the edge to Ruggs but it’s a close run thing.
 
 

Fucking Raiders!!!![emoji2959][emoji2959][emoji2959][emoji2959]
It worked in the past because of Al and Madden, but without either of those huge, strong characters it’s now a recipe for disaster

[Fife Saint]

[GNU_Linux]

Rams & NFL lose fight to move trial out of St. Louis
 

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The Rams may have moved out of St. Louis years ago, but a trial about that relocation is staying put in that city.

 

The National Football League and the Los Angeles Rams on Tuesday lost their effort to have a scheduled January trial for the suit about the team's relocation tried elsewhere in Missouri instead of the team's former home of St. Louis.

A Missouri appeals court denied the bid in a brief decision that did not elaborate on the reasons for the ruling. The NFL, Rams and other defendants had argued that the trial should be moved because of the risk of bias against the league and team from jurors who live in St. Louis.

The city, St. Louis County and the Regional Convention and Sports Complex Authority sued the NFL and the Rams in 2017, claiming the league did not honor its own relocation policy and hold good faith negotiations to prevent the Rams' relocation from the city in 2016.

The defendants in the lawsuit are Rams owner Kroenke Sports & Entertainment, the other 31 professional football teams, and their owners.
 

The suit seeks at least $1 billion in damages.

The defendants sought to move the trial out of the St. Louis area by citing Rule 51.04, which allows for a trial to be moved if favoritism exists due to pretrial publicity.
 

The suit alleges the city lost between $1.85 million and $3.5 million per year in amusement and ticket tax collections, another $7.5 million in property tax and $1.4 million in sales tax, for a total of more than $100 million in lost revenue.

Last month, the judge handling the case issued a roughly $44,000 fine to four NFL owners for failure to turn over financial documents in the case.

And with a trial scheduled for January, the suit appears to have created friction among NFL owners.  According to an article by ESPN, Rams owner Stan Kroenke angered other owners last week by attempting to shift responsibility for legal bills tied to the lawsuit to other teams.

The Rams' legal fees tied to their relocation include a class-action lawsuit settled for $24 million in 2018.

The Rams settled with fans who sued the team to replenish personal seat license money.

 

NFL teams charge the one-time fee that gives fans the right to purchase season tickets and use the income for stadium financing.

The ESPN report noted Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones defended Kroenke at the NFL fall meeting in New York City. Jones is mentioned in the St. Louis lawsuit, too. It suggests Kroenke and Jones allegedly conspired "to develop a plan to relocate the Rams to Los Angeles and convincing the other member-teams to approve the relocation."

The suit also claims Kroenke and Jones discussed the current SoFi Stadium site in Inglewood, California, as far back as 2013. And it alleges Jones "intentionally interfered" with St. Louis' "reasonable business expectancy."

Legends, a hospitality and marketing firm that Jones co-owns benefited from the Rams' move. The company struck a contract with the Rams to sell sponsorships and helped land the stadium naming rights deal with SoFi in 2019. The deal is worth over $30 million per year, according to Bloomberg.

Legends was founded in 2008 by the New York Yankees and Cowboys affiliate company, Jones Concessions LP. The parties sold the majority of Legends to private equity firm Sixth Street last January. According to PitchBook, that deal was worth approximately $688 million and values Legends at $1.35 billion.

In addition to damages, the plaintiffs also seek a piece of the increased valuation associated with the Rams' move. The Rams are valued at $4.8 billion, according to Forbes. That's up from $1.5 billion in 2015, the Rams' last season in St. Louis.

One of the possible implications of a settlement besides a shitload of money could be St. Louis be awarded an NFL franchise. I can't see the league running with 33 teams as that'd leave a sole division with 5 teams. Realm of fantasy stuff but with the current 4 divisions per conference setup the league would need to jump to 40 teams in order to have even divisions across the board.

Edited November 7, 2021 by GNU_Linux