Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Marshmallo]

1 minute ago, Burnieman said:

That's my point.  People change opinion, scientists change advice.  You could probably highlight comments from every politician, scientist and advisor from 12 months ago re Covid and call them out for it based on what we know now.

The approach to public health in response to a crisis should be to default to complete risk aversion and safety first, loosening your stance as more details emerge. Taking the opposite approach is reckless in the extreme.

[superbigal]

23 hours ago, superbigal said:

 

Daily Cases Update:   Not a bad day. I expect cases per 100K to continue to rise a little but this should be the start of the positivity getting below 3.0 in a few days. 

Dumfries and Galloway had 822 cases on 4th January and it now has 17 !!  truly astonishing wipeout in that large area. Well played chaps.

Caught on the hop with the large rises in West Lothian,  East Renfrewshire hits the top spot for the 1st time where the grand citizens of Auchenbank just do not seem to be able to shrug of their outbreak.   Fallin is now certainly the anchor for Stirling but otherwise they are on a good run.

Mainland Europe is now in a pretty bad way with cases rising in most major countries,

Scotland peaked at 301.9 for figures 29th Dec to 4th Jan, (UK was 642.1)    Cases that day were 16,496 and test positivity rate was 11.9%  

Total Cases 7 days from 10th March to 16th March were  4,107 and now 4,034 down 1.78%. Positivity was  3.3% down to 3.2%.   Cases per 100k were  75.2 now 73.8

Home Nations Daily update:  UK Average 59.5 to 59.1 down 0.67%, England 58.7 to 58.3,  Wales 43.6 to 44.2, Northern Ireland 70.4 to 69.8   

NHS Progress  Greater Glasgow 114.2 to 108.3  , Lanarkshire  103.6 to 99.4 , North Ayrshire & Arran  101.5 to 96.4,  Forth Valley  88.1 to 83.5 ,  the rest all under Scottish average.

European (Above 2 Million Population) Shockers: Czech 720 to 709, Hungary 517 to 529, Serbia 442 to 472, Poland 291 to 335, Sweden 267 to 292, Bulgaria 297, France 250 to 274, Italy 258 to 263, showing how much worse it is in Europe.  The UK only has below it Spain 58,  Portugal 45 (Who were top recently !!!) and Russia 35.   

Council progress in last 24 Hours as follows.

Click cases by neighbourhood to see the spread on the geographical map. 

https://public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/vizhome/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview

The Bad boys club Over 100 Cartel

East Renfrewshire 137.1 to 141.3   Top the table for the 1st time

West Lothian  113.6 to 140.9  An astonishing rise up 24% courtesy of Livingston & Craigshill

Glasgow City  139.2 to 130.5 

North Lanarkshire  123.3 to 119.5

North Ayrshire  109.8 to 108.4    

South Ayrshire  123.4 to 101.2 Big 18% drop as Ethnic cleansing in Whitletts continues.

Under 100 Club

Renfrewshire  113.3 to 98.3 Welcome 13% drop and into the under 100 club again

Stirling  109.3 to 93.4  Another 14% down.  Fallin now has 40% of the Councils cases.

Midlothian  90.9 to 90.9 

Falkirk  85.8 to 82.7

East Ayrshire  71.3 to 77.9

South Lanarkshire  82.1 to 77.4

Fife  77.6 to 76.3

Under Scottish Average club 73.8

Perth & Kinross 63.8 to 73.7   3rd daily large rise

Clackmannanshire  56.3 to 67.9 

Dundee City   58.9 to 67.6

West Dunbartonshire  51.7 to 59.6  

East Dunbartonshire 56.1 to 56.1  

SUB 50 Good Guys

East Lothian  53.2 to 48.6

City Of Edinburgh 43.4 to 42.5

Highlands  41.6 to 41.6 

Aberdeen City 39.8 to 38.0

Inverclyde 33.4 to 36.0      

Shetland Islands 26.2 to 30.5  Another outbreak 7 cases thus far.

Havana & Malt Whisky club Sub 30.0

Aberdeenshire   30.2 to 28.7

Moray  20.9 to 26.1 

Angus 20.7 to 21.5

Scottish  Borders 14.7 to 17.3 

Dumfries & Galloway 15.5 to 11.4  These guys were top early January.

Argyll & Bute 10.5  to 9.3

Western Isles  3.7 to 3.7 

Orkney Island  0.0 to 0.0 

[Burnieman]

2 minutes ago, Gaz said:

The problem is that there are a hell of a lot of, in particular, politicians who made staggeringly bad decisions based on what they knew then, now what they know now.

 

1 minute ago, Marshmallo said:

The approach to public health in response to a crisis should be to default to complete risk aversion and safety first, loosening your stance as more details emerge. Taking the opposite approach is reckless in the extreme.

Yes, we know that now mostly in hindsight.  Remember we did hard lock down for 3 months at the beginning, a little too late, but they did react and we were at the point of literally no cases and no hospital admissions in July/August, then began loosening.

[Michael W]

I don't think it's a stretch to hold people that have spent their careers in public health or are politicians to a much higher account than posters on a Scottish Football forum. 

The supposedly brightest minds we have and also our political leaders, made a complete and utter hash of it, with terrible consequences. Why this happened is yet to be established and is a matter for when this is all over, but I imagine arrogance a key factor. Meanwhile anyone claiming "we just didn't know!" can go and fling shite themselves - it was their fucking job to know the consequences and take actions at preventing them. 

People on  message board changing their minds on lockdown and the approach is inconsequential by comparison. 

 

[Marshmallo]

Just now, Burnieman said:

 

 Remember we did hard lock down for 3 months at the beginning 

It's old ground so we will agree to disagree that zero border restrictions, people queuing to climb hills and galavanting to "Big Licks" for ice cream was a "hard lock down".

[Burnieman]

4 minutes ago, superbigal said:

West Lothian  113.6 to 140.9  An astonishing rise up 24% courtesy of Livingston & Craigshill

Fiction Factories?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/west-lothian-school-records-covid-23743315

[Burnieman]

Just now, Marshmallo said:

It's old ground so we will agree to disagree that zero border restrictions, people queuing to climb hills and galavanting to "Big Licks" for ice cream was a "hard lock down".

Agree on Border restrictions, they were utterly blind to the risks.

[GNU_Linux]

 

[craigkillie]

Agree on Border restrictions, they were utterly blind to the risks.

They can't possibly have been blind to the risks. The disease literally arrived via international travel, which is very obvious given that originated in China. The borders staying open was all about prioritising the economy over public health.

[Detournement]

17 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:

The approach to public health in response to a crisis should be to default to complete risk aversion and safety first, loosening your stance as more details emerge. Taking the opposite approach is reckless in the extreme.

It only looks that way if you choose to place the Covid death rate above everything else and refuse to quantify any of the risks of lockdown.

[vikingTON]

25 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

That's my point.  People change opinion, scientists change advice.  You could probably highlight comments from every politician, scientist and advisor from 12 months ago re Covid and call them out for it based on what we know now.

Clownshoes Leitch was quite literally giving the green light to Old Firm games to go ahead, before then claiming that 300 people at Stair Park was unacceptable, to opening his fellow God-botherers' indoor spaces to 50 folk, to this latest exercise in fail. The same guy who claimed that facemasks were only used in Asian countries because of their different cultural traditions, while most of the population was already obtaining masks in his own country.

A monkey throwing darts at a spinning wheel of hot takes would have a better track record of being proven right by sheer dumb luck than the Clownshoes in chief: he has had more solid Ls throughout than Fort William Football Club.

He should only be sticking around for a public inquiry that eviscerates him. 

Edited March 19, 2021 by vikingTON

[Burnieman]

They can't possibly have been blind to the risks. The disease literally arrived via international travel, which is very obvious given that originated in China. The borders staying open was all about prioritising the economy over public health.

The reasoning at the time was that cases coming in from overseas wouldn't make any tangible difference whilst cases here were out of control. Whether that was the real reason is open to speculation but we were the only nation in the world with wide open borders and no checks or requirements for entry. So they were blind to the risk, either unknowingly or deliberately.

[Hillonearth]

1 hour ago, Elixir said:

Louisa Jordan shut without seeing a single patient. The NHS really must have been in trouble...

I don't think there can be any reasonable case made that the NHS wasn't in deep trouble over at least two separate periods. The decision to barely use the Nightingale hospitals while "normal" hospitals ran at meltdown level was more than likely  a political one, as opening and triaging the more hopelesss cases into what were effectively cavernous dying sheds would have probably caused a fairly general panic.

I know someone who was seconded into the London one from a general hospital down there and frankly were bricking themselves at the prospect. As it turned out the place never went above something like 2% capacity and they spent a couple of months not really doing much other than eating fried chicken that KFC had donated while the general hospital were working flat out the whole time.

 

 

[Burnieman]

Clownshoes Leitch was quite literally giving the green light to Old Firm games to go ahead, before then claiming that 300 people at Stair Park was unacceptable, to opening his fellow God-botherers' indoor spaces to 50 folk, to this latest exercise in fail. The same guy who claimed that facemasks were only used in Asian countries because of their different cultural traditions, while most of the population was already obtaining masks in his own country.
A monkey throwing darts at a spinning wheel of hot takes would have a better track record of being proven right by sheer dumb luck than the Clownshoes in chief: he has had more solid Ls throughout than Fort William Football Club.
He should only be sticking around for a public inquiry that eviscerates him. 

Enjoy yer day.......

[scottsdad]

Genuine question. I've listened to Jason Leitch on Off The Ball for most of the pandemic and thought that if anything he was an excellent communicator. Compare him to Vallance and Whitty down south, who can barely string a sentence together. 

So...why are folk here so against him?

[Forest_Fifer]

To be fair, elite athletes are going to the people most impacted by lingering effects of Covid.  Still not a good reason for them to skip the queue.
 

Didnt Newcastle have a few players out for weeks recovering from Covid?

[Ron Aldo]

Genuine question. I've listened to Jason Leitch on Off The Ball for most of the pandemic and thought that if anything he was an excellent communicator. Compare him to Vallance and Whitty down south, who can barely string a sentence together. 
So...why are folk here so against him?

Vallance and Whitty are actual public health experts. Leitch is a dentist enjoying his moment of fame a bit too much given how it's come about. The guy is a walloper.

[latapythelegend]

19 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

Genuine question. I've listened to Jason Leitch on Off The Ball for most of the pandemic and thought that if anything he was an excellent communicator. Compare him to Vallance and Whitty down south, who can barely string a sentence together. 

So...why are folk here so against him?

They don't like dentists apparently.

[TheScarf]

18 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

Genuine question. I've listened to Jason Leitch on Off The Ball for most of the pandemic and thought that if anything he was an excellent communicator. Compare him to Vallance and Whitty down south, who can barely string a sentence together. 

So...why are folk here so against him?

Because they are actually trained experts in this field, and are very much of the opinion that Zero Covid is impossible.  Which it practically is.

Leitch is a dentist who doesn't know what he's talking about, wants some form of restrictions forever in the search for Zero Covid, which with Scotland having open borders with countries who are not seeking Zero Covid, is never going to happen.  He's enjoying being the face of Covid in Scotland, and know's he'll soon have to go back to his practice, fingering the mouths of people who haven't brushed their teeth in 20 years.

[Rob1885]

Genuine question. I've listened to Jason Leitch on Off The Ball for most of the pandemic and thought that if anything he was an excellent communicator. Compare him to Vallance and Whitty down south, who can barely string a sentence together. 
So...why are folk here so against him?

Supports Airdrie.