craigkillie Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 What makes you think they aren't going to give it out and need to be 'forced' in to doing so?They're obviously going to give it out, but if the clubs need it now then it's not much use if it eventually arrives in March or something like that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, craigkillie said: 21 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: What makes you think they aren't going to give it out and need to be 'forced' in to doing so? They're obviously going to give it out, but if the clubs need it now then it's not much use if it eventually arrives in March or something like that. Did they not say it was to be given out in January? Sure I read that somewhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Lowland, Highland, East of Scotland, West of Scotland and South of Scotland league clubs receive £1.35M grants from lottery commercial arm: https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/scottish-football-wins-with-135m-national-lottery-partnership/?rid=13929 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 8 hours ago, craigkillie said: 8 hours ago, DA Baracus said: What makes you think they aren't going to give it out and need to be 'forced' in to doing so? They're obviously going to give it out, but if the clubs need it now then it's not much use if it eventually arrives in March or something like that. 7 hours ago, DA Baracus said: Did they not say it was to be given out in January? Sure I read that somewhere. Potential spanner in the works progress-wise as the sport minister has just been fired. Under woolly heading of "public health" he was also the drugs minister, and the care home minister... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Positive, sometimes. Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: Potential spanner in the works progress-wise as the sport minister has just been fired. Under woolly heading of "public health" he was also the drugs minister, and the care home minister... It's because of the drug deaths by the sounds of it. I imagine the delay is related to what I imagine is the enormous legal side of a gov handing over that kind of money. It'll come with loads of caveats, obligations & a pile of legal documentation big enough to build a house with. it'll be heavily scrutinised by SFA etc as well. Many of you've seen how much legal faff that comes with buying a house. Imagine what it'll be like recieving many millions of tax payer money from the government! Edited December 18, 2020 by Mr Positive, sometimes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 hour ago, HibeeJibee said: Potential spanner in the works progress-wise as the sport minister has just been fired. Under woolly heading of "public health" he was also the drugs minister, and the care home minister... Shouldn't make a difference. It's not like he would have been doing the work. At most he would have just signed stuff off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Lowland, Highland, East of Scotland, West of Scotland and South of Scotland league clubs receive £1.35M grants from lottery commercial arm: https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/scottish-football-wins-with-135m-national-lottery-partnership/?rid=13929 STV report government cash... £20M Premiership loans/£10M lower-league grants... breaks-down: Premiership £1.67M loan each Championship £500k grant each SPFL1 £150k grant each SPFL2 £100k grant each Lowland/Highland £33k grant each East Premier/South/West Premier £13.5k grant each East First/West First £7.5k grant each (appears to leave £300k unallocated?) Edited December 18, 2020 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 hour ago, HibeeJibee said: he was also the drugs minister, and the care home minister... Aaawww, why did they sack him? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huisdean50 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Aaawww, why did they sack him? Because he is useless perhaps? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Huisdean50 said: Because he is useless perhaps? Do you think so? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paisley Ton Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 24 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: STV report government cash... £20M Premiership loans/£10M lower-league grants... breaks-down: Premiership £1.67M loan each Championship £500k grant each SPFL1 £150k grant each SPFL2 £100k grant each Lowland/Highland £33k grant each East Premier/South/West Premier £13.5k grant each East First/West First £7.5k grant each (appears to leave £300k unallocated?) Have grant conditions been issued. Loan to PL clubs not a great deal. Championship Grant's will replace around 2000 fans attending each home game. That's surely more than average attendance of 50% of the clubs, I dare say a level playing field. Hope MCT defer support until we understand how the club will use the money. Sadly for Hopkin a week late in announcing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Paisley Ton said: Have grant conditions been issued. Loan to PL clubs not a great deal. Championship Grant's will replace around 2000 fans attending each home game. That's surely more than average attendance of 50% of the clubs, I dare say a level playing field. Hope MCT defer support until we understand how the club will use the money. Sadly for Hopkin a week late in announcing. No idea just quoting journalists and club officials. Berwick's vice-chairman seems to be making similar point... we get similar crowds to SPFL2 (and don't charge much less) but their grants are 3 x larger than LL; while our crowds are also much larger than many other LL clubs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Positive, sometimes. Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 2 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: STV report government cash... £20M Premiership loans/£10M lower-league grants... breaks-down: Premiership £1.67M loan each Championship £500k grant each SPFL1 £150k grant each SPFL2 £100k grant each Lowland/Highland £33k grant each East Premier/South/West Premier £13.5k grant each East First/West First £7.5k grant each (appears to leave £300k unallocated?) Woman's game for remainder? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 2 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: No idea just quoting journalists and club officials. Berwick's vice-chairman seems to be making similar point... we get similar crowds to SPFL2 (and don't charge much less) but their grants are 3 x larger than LL; while our crowds are also much larger than many other LL clubs. If Berwick wanted SPFL2 level funding then they shouldn't have stunk the place out and lost about 17-0 to Cove in their relegation play-off. Grasping chancers just like seaside league Falkirk and Partick. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mr Positive, sometimes. said: Woman's game for remainder? Could we not buy them something instead? A Group On for a spa night or something and keep the rest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Mr Positive, sometimes. said: Woman's game for remainder? Junior and womens presumably. (There are still a few dozen junior clubs north of the Tay... and a smattering in West Lothian... plus the North Caledonian League which occupies a strange position). Someone has also posted in the WOS subforum that clubs who mothballed get £2.5k. There are 19 of them in that league; Forres in HL; Bunillidh in North Caley; plus Buckie Rovers in North Juniors who are "in abeyance". I'd assumed that, having a separate announcement, the non-league lottery money was separate... but according to a poster in the EOS subforum, the tier 5 to 7 cash is all they're getting. That presumably means it was part of £10M all along. If not it would imply there was £1.65M unallocated not £300k but that's more than would be needed for womens and juniors. Edited December 18, 2020 by HibeeJibee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Positive, sometimes. Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Falkirk and Thistle fans complaining Alloa and Arbroath are getting more than then on twitter... That'll because they're better football teams... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Mr Positive, sometimes. said: Falkirk and Thistle fans complaining Alloa and Arbroath are getting more than then on twitter... That'll because they're better football teams... I can see the argument as it's not to make up for lost prizemoney. Prizemoney is still being paid. It's to make up for lost gate money, as the government have banned crowds. If for simplicity sake we say entry is £20 then Alloa receiving £500k is equivalent to 22 home games (average last season was 1,125); which is equivalent to a regular season of 18 home games plus 4 more. Falkirk receiving £150k (average was 3,713) is equivalent to 2 home games. When the discrepancy is so large, perhaps some composite model - a flat rate for your level, and a top-up varying with your crowds - might've been better. Edited December 18, 2020 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Such a terrible, wee shame that. Spoiler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 I'm sure the bald men fighting over a comb of Berwick v Stirling and Falkirk v Arbroath would be absolutely fine if Rangers and Celtic just got 80% of the grant money. It should absolutely be about where you are in the pyramid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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