StuartA Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 52 minutes ago, BPM said: The problem is not artificial surfaces it is really bad ones. Why couldn’t the SPFL do a deal with a manufacturer that is best of class, bring down the unit cost and probably make something centrally too? The pitches at Airdire, Palmerston and ours are superb. Compare those to Jan/Feb/March early April grass pitches like Dundee, Dingwall, Perth and even Parkhead and they are miles better Well yeah, any thought or nuance is being overriden which speaks directly to motive. They don’t care so it’s a protectionist measure (for the Wee 10) and just another dull thud from the OF to rot the game beneath them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Straight to a vote? No debate, no discussion, no informed decision making? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairns1994 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 11 minutes ago, Newbornbairn said: Straight to a vote? No debate, no discussion, no informed decision making? Premiership Dictatorship 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartA Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 12 minutes ago, Newbornbairn said: Straight to a vote? No debate, no discussion, no informed decision making? They’ll push it through and we’ll be fk’d, just as BPM says. Though I hope the alt-proposal gets some traction. Just shows the urgency of a Regulator for the game. And if we as a club do get into a position of power, we can’t flip and go all self-interest. We need to build a coalition of clubs prepared to at least fight for change, even if it takes generations. They *never* get anything right. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyBlueArmy1876 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Absolutely. We've been outside of the premiership long enough to see the greed and self preservation attitude is as bad now as it's ever been. Vital if and when we do get back up that we actually try and implement positive change for Scottish football. Whether that is down to the redistribution of prize money down the lower leagues or even something as small as correcting the ridiculous play off format would be brilliant to try and do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairn in Exile Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 (edited) As a fan owned club would there be any traction in contacting other fan owned clubs like Hearts, St. Mirren and Motherwell to set up dialogue and to highlight how absurd their position would be if they support this vote? Might be talking out my arse here, as usual. Edited May 21 by Bairn in Exile 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond1924 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 I don’t think the inevitable ban on plastic pitches in the top flight will concern you lot just yet. Simmer bairns 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 1 minute ago, Diamond1924 said: I don’t think the inevitable ban on plastic pitches in the top flight will concern you lot just yet. Simmer bairns Siri, illustrate self interest in one statement please. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartA Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Just now, Ranaldo Bairn said: Siri, illustrate self interest in one statement please. Been told what to say by their parent club. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Just now, StuartA said: Been told what to say by their parent club. Ah, the useful idiots are coming out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 (edited) Unfortunately it’s going to happen. You can play a Champions League semi final on one but not St Mirren v Motherwell etc. Our pitch is approaching the end but I believe the cost of going back to grass is more than replacing the artificial surface. Not to mention the additional staff costs, costs of hiring a training facility and the loss of income from hiring out the pitch to the community. It’s going to be a big blow to us. Edited May 21 by Enigma 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy1876 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 3 minutes ago, Diamond1924 said: I don’t think the inevitable ban on plastic pitches in the top flight will concern you lot just yet. Simmer bairns Everyone: having a sensible conversation about how this development will affect all clubs outside the premiership that rely on artificial pitches financially. Basing this on evidence from the Lancet journal and from personal experience of the 10,000 seat rule which also affected Airdrie. Airdrie fan: BuT YOu WoN'T GEt PrOmoTEd. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Just now, Enigma said: Unfortunately it’s going to happen. Can play a champions league semi final on one but not St Mirren v Motherwell etc. Our pitch is approaching the end but I believe the cost of going back to grass is more than replacing the artificial surface. Not to mention the additional staff costs, hiring a training facility and the loss of income from hiring out the pitch to the community. It’s going to be a big blow to us. It's actually staggering. I have seen a world of idiocy from our fearless leaders, but this just about tops the lot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 1 minute ago, Bairn in Exile said: As a fan owned club would there be any traction in contacting other fan owned clubs like Hearts, St. Mirren and Motherwell to set up dialogue and to highlight how absurd their position would be if they support this vote? Might be talking out my arse here, as usual. With respect Turkeys don’t vote for Xmas. The Mids & Wells would talk the job. At the end of the day which of the bottom four/five clubs are going to seriously give anyone from the championship any support ? And go against the arse cheeks - not a hope in hell. The recent posting of the distribution of prize money confirms not one club is going to say boo until the two arse cheeks leave the Scottish leagues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 1 minute ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: It's actually staggering. I have seen a world of idiocy from our fearless leaders, but this just about tops the lot. The argument trotted out is that the Dutch have a similar rule. What’s conveniently not mentioned is they have a system to financially support teams having to return to a grass pitch. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 7 minutes ago, StuartA said: They’ll push it through and we’ll be fk’d, just as BPM says. Though I hope the alt-proposal gets some traction. Just shows the urgency of a Regulator for the game. And if we as a club do get into a position of power, we can’t flip and go all self-interest. We need to build a coalition of clubs prepared to at least fight for change, even if it takes generations. They *never* get anything right. Celtic's Colt team play their home games on astroturf at Airdrie & the first team just pumped killie 5-0 in a meaningless end of season game. i doubt it's got anything to do with them tbh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blame Me Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 4 hours ago, BPM said: This problem has come about because of clubs installing inferior synthetic surfaces. Livingston ... According to Livingston peeps the only difference between ours and theirs is the choice of colour for the crumb Similarly I thought Airdrie's was rubbish when it got relaid not long ago and is apparently the same as ours. As we know, there is no factual basis for or against them other than snobbery. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeStreetWalker Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 3 hours ago, Springfield said: This vote is only going one way. If we want top flight football within two seasons, a grass pitch will be required. It won't be a true grass pitch though as the Old Firm and Hearts use hybrid as does other leagues. How dearer is a Hybrid compared to a Synthetic pitch. Anybody know? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatapyBairn. Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 21 minutes ago, Diamond1924 said: I don’t think the inevitable ban on plastic pitches in the top flight will concern you lot just yet. Simmer bairns Can you remind me last time Airdrie were in the top league? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartA Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 1 minute ago, LatapyBairn. said: Can you remind me last time Airdrie were in the top league? Before they and their Big Brothers let their clubs die 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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