Newbornbairn Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Automatic promotion and relegation to be ended. At the close of each season, clubs in the top league take a vote on who should be their play-off representative. Once named, the Championship clubs enter a ten team round robin play off, home and away, all matches to be completed in 14 days, winner gets to play the Premier League team away in a one-off match. Can't say fairer than that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 30 minutes ago, HopeStreetWalker said: As the Community Stadiums main income stream FFC will always be the main/only client for them. Negotiate afresh due to the new business circumstances whatever they are. Allowing for smaller crowds and drop in income for advertising and sponsors there will be a more favourable deal on the table. Especially if they have been losing a fortune without the FFC cash cow being milked every month. Even tie in the new deal on a rent to buy basis as they must be thinking about unloading it. why not they are selling land and building every year. The fear of playing hardball with the council that some on the forum have shown is beyond me. Grow a pair FFC walk in reflecting the circumstances with the mindset that its that deal or we walk. The Council would be running out to drag the club in to talk. Knowing being left with a never ending money pit on their hands would result in a political bloodbath for the parties involved. Be in no doubt they need FFC more than FFC need them. Time for the boot to be on the other foot. FFC got well and truly screwed by the council regarding Brockville and the Stadium and the fans should never forget it. As for nomads ! that's what we are as we do not own a stadium to call our home ground. I'd love to see how many folk would travel to watch us play at clyde every week. The council know we have no other place to go so thoughts of them running after us to beg us to come back are fanciful.. They lose money on the place anyway we just mean they don't lose as much. Without knowing the ins and outs of the deal its impossible to say whether it's a bad deal or not. Gary Dean's seems to think it's a fantastic deal and theres no reason for him to say otherwise as he could easily blame others if it wasnt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proudtobeabairn Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) Falling out with the council re the stadium and finding ourselves homeless is the last thing we need at the moment - a ridiculous idea. If we did walk away and left the council to foot the bill, with no FFC rent, who ends up paying the price for that? Councils are funded by us as taxpayers so we're not only shafting the club (leaving us homeless) but also the local community as the council cut more services to pay for stadium costs. The whole discussion around the stadium and our 'deal' is pointless. Gary Deans thinks its a good deal for us at the moment and being homeless would be an utter catastrophe for us so that's that. Edited May 22, 2020 by Proudtobeabairn 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ecosse83 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Proudtobeabairn said: Falling out with the council re the stadium and finding ourselves homeless is the last thing we need at the moment - a ridiculous idea. If we did walk away and left the council to foot the bill, with no FFC rent, who ends up paying the price for that? Councils are funded by us as taxpayers so we're not only shafting the club (leaving us homeless) but also the local community as the council cut more services to pay for stadium costs. The whole discussion around the stadium and our 'deal' is pointless. Gary Deans thinks its a good deal for us at the moment and being homeless would be an utter catastrophe for us so that's that. Coventry City springs to mind. Edited May 22, 2020 by Ecosse83 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeStreetWalker Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Proudtobeabairn said: Falling out with the council re the stadium and finding ourselves homeless is the last thing we need at the moment - a ridiculous idea. If we did walk away and left the council to foot the bill, with no FFC rent, who ends up paying the price for that? Councils are funded by us as taxpayers so we're not only shafting the club (leaving us homeless) but also the local community as the council cut more services to pay for stadium costs. The whole discussion around the stadium and our 'deal' is pointless. Gary Deans thinks its a good deal for us at the moment and being homeless would be an utter catastrophe for us so that's that. It's not so much FFC falling out with the council. The council treat FFC with open contempt anyway so maybe a frosty relationship with them might encourage a change of attitude from them. The financial model football is based on in Scotland is finished. Football clubs ( the ones left ) will be in the situation they don't know what the future holds. Therefore they cannot with any accuracy know what money will be coming in next year if any money is coming in at all. Therefore they cannot produce a budget. So you have no choice but to cut costs until you find out. One of the main outgoings is what we pay the community stadium every month. That has to be renegotiated and sharpish ! or there won't be a FFC for them to screw every month. How can they expect FFC to pay the same when there is no games, no 4k crowds, no hospitality and other income streams. Don't kid yourself they will be sympathetic, it's FFC they will be talking to after all. Therefore the agreement FFC have regarding the stadium is no longer viable. Financially it has to change to reflect these unprecedented circumstances. Look at it this way, a product, commodity, service is only worth what somebody is will to pay for it. If FFC have next year lets say 35% of last years income, then it stands to reason you say to the council it's a 65% cut in what we pay at present or we will have no other choice but to move as we can't afford to stay. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, HopeStreetWalker said: It's not so much FFC falling out with the council. The council treat FFC with open contempt anyway so maybe a frosty relationship with them might encourage a change of attitude from them. The financial model football is based on in Scotland is finished. Football clubs ( the ones left ) will be in the situation they don't know what the future holds. Therefore they cannot with any accuracy know what money will be coming in next year if any money is coming in at all. Therefore they cannot produce a budget. So you have no choice but to cut costs until you find out. One of the main outgoings is what we pay the community stadium every month. That has to be renegotiated and sharpish ! or there won't be a FFC for them to screw every month. How can they expect FFC to pay the same when there is no games, no 4k crowds, no hospitality and other income streams. Don't kid yourself they will be sympathetic, it's FFC they will be talking to after all. Therefore the agreement FFC have regarding the stadium is no longer viable. Financially it has to change to reflect these unprecedented circumstances. Look at it this way, a product, commodity, service is only worth what somebody is will to pay for it. If FFC have next year lets say 35% of last years income, then it stands to reason you say to the council it's a 65% cut in what we pay at present or we will have no other choice but to move as we can't afford to stay. What if they say they'll lose money at that rate and it'd be cheaper to shut it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, HopeStreetWalker said: It's not so much FFC falling out with the council. The council treat FFC with open contempt anyway so maybe a frosty relationship with them might encourage a change of attitude from them. The financial model football is based on in Scotland is finished. Football clubs ( the ones left ) will be in the situation they don't know what the future holds. Therefore they cannot with any accuracy know what money will be coming in next year if any money is coming in at all. Therefore they cannot produce a budget. So you have no choice but to cut costs until you find out. One of the main outgoings is what we pay the community stadium every month. That has to be renegotiated and sharpish ! or there won't be a FFC for them to screw every month. How can they expect FFC to pay the same when there is no games, no 4k crowds, no hospitality and other income streams. Don't kid yourself they will be sympathetic, it's FFC they will be talking to after all. Therefore the agreement FFC have regarding the stadium is no longer viable. Financially it has to change to reflect these unprecedented circumstances. Look at it this way, a product, commodity, service is only worth what somebody is will to pay for it. If FFC have next year lets say 35% of last years income, then it stands to reason you say to the council it's a 65% cut in what we pay at present or we will have no other choice but to move as we can't afford to stay. I'm sure a calm and sensible discussion will be had when the time comes if it indeed does. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Dunfermline have released 17 players. They must be in a bad way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ecosse83 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Bantabairn said: Fck them, another team that voted against reconstruction, hope they fold Regardless of how a geam voted I don't want anyone to fold. With the voting system the way it is every single team will vote in self interest including us. The whole system needs to change! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Ecosse83 said: Regardless of how a geam voted I don't want anyone to fold. With the voting system the way it is every single team will vote in self interest including us. The whole system needs to change! Wonder how many pence to the pound they'll be offering this time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 20 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said: Dunfermline have released 17 players. They must be in a bad way. Nope. The club have released no one. Incidentally, the club did the same thing last year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALDERON Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 23 minutes ago, Bantabairn said: Fck them, another team that voted against reconstruction, hope they fold 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 A very “the rangers” type of mindset on display there. You can taste the bitterness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 20 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Nope. The club have released no one. Incidentally, the club did the same thing last year. BBC talking shite then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Just now, Shadwell Dog said: BBC talking shite then? If they are claiming that players have been released then yes, they're talking shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: If they are claiming that players have been released then yes, they're talking So these players arent getting released at the end of their contracts then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeStreetWalker Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said: BBC talking shite then? It's the BBC ! hardly a reliable or trustworthy source of news. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, HopeStreetWalker said: It's the BBC ! hardly a reliable or trustworthy source of news. There are direct quotes from dunfermline. Edited May 22, 2020 by Shadwell Dog 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeStreetWalker Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Sergeant Wilson said: What if they say they'll lose money at that rate and it'd be cheaper to shut it. We offer to buy it from them for a pound. They will have admitted it is no longer asset but a liability with no monitory value and therefore a drain on their finances. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeStreetWalker Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said: There are direct quotes from dunfermline. My post referred to your comment about the BBC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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