When will indyref2 happen?

[The_Kincardine]

47 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

You didn't answer the second part of my post.

Is Holocaust denier Mankyjaiket representative of your average Unionist?

That would involve me finding out who "Holocaust denier Mankyjaiket" is and I can't be arsed.

All of my references to Natter xenophobic fuckwits have been within the confines of the forum.   God know what idiocy I'd find if I looked elsewhere.  Having P&B posters advocating killing people in the name of the Natter is bad enough.

[Baxter Parp]

That would involve me finding out who "Holocaust denier Mankyjaiket" is and I can't be arsed.
All of my references to Natter xenophobic fuckwits have been within the confines of the forum.   God know what idiocy I'd find if I looked elsewhere.  Having P&B posters advocating killing people in the name of the Natter is bad enough.

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/anti-islam-activist-tommy-robinson-announces-he-joined-the-tories

Your party is hoachin' with racist c***s.

[Mr Heliums]

6 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:

That would involve me finding out who "Holocaust denier Mankyjaiket" is and I can't be arsed.

Here he is, the inimical Alastair McConnachie in his inimical jacket and spouting his inimical views.

Edited December 16, 2019 by Mr Heliums

[Ross.]

Can't help but feel the current change in thought from many of those involved with Labour is less about believing Scottish Independence is the right thing for Scotland, and more about rescuing any kind of career in politics and getting it right up the Conservatives.

I'll be delighted if it leads to independence but most of them should be kept well away from any campaign on the issue.

[San Starko Rover]

It’s an interesting conundrum for Scottish Labour, at the moment Labour is on life support down south and a Labour Westminster government looks a long way off. North of the border it’s even bleaker all but wiped out and 3rd at Holyrood with Tory picking up the hard Unionists and SNP the Nationalists. Are they beginning to realise that Scotland could be a Labour stronghold if it was independent? If Scottish Labour backs independence I doubt a referendum would even be close as their hardcore will vote how the party tells them and that will more than swing the 5%.required to win. The cynic in me questions whether this is an attempt to split the Yes vote in Scotland allowing more Unionist MPs as we’ve seen SLab back the Tory party up here before. I’ll believe they’re serious if they actually breakaway from the Labour Party and stop taking their orders from London otherwise they’ll do what Corbyn and his successors tell them to.

[Mr Heliums]

2 hours ago, San Starko Rover said:

 The cynic in me questions whether this is an attempt to split the Yes vote in Scotland allowing more Unionist MPs as we’ve seen SLab back the Tory party up here before. 

They'll have to pick a side. Look what happened to them when they picked the wrong side in 2014. Look what happened after Brexit when they picked no side. If they have any sense*, there's only one direction left.

 

* I know, I know.

Edited December 16, 2019 by Mr Heliums

[fatshaft]

9 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:

That would involve me finding out who "Holocaust denier Mankyjaiket" is and I can't be arsed.

All of my references to Natter xenophobic fuckwits have been within the confines of the forum.   God know what idiocy I'd find if I looked elsewhere.  Having P&B posters advocating killing people in the name of the Natter is bad enough.

Oh come off it, he's the most high profile non-politician on the NO side, nobody believes you don't know who he is. 

[wastecoatwilly]

17 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:

The only debate now is if it's many or most who hate the English. 

The Scots are such a burden on the English, our big bother will stop protecting us from the big bad world.

[Hammer Jag]

2 hours ago, fatshaft said:

Oh come off it, he's the most high profile non-politician on the NO side, nobody believes you don't know who he is. 

Kinky is manky jailket.

[Anonapersona]

On 14/12/2019 at 18:41, The_Kincardine said:

Aye.  Those.  To quote @Alert Mongoose, "I find it tragic that the three areas of Scotland ‘flooded’ with English incomers are holding our nation back. Plenty are lovely people but I’m not comfortable that they are transplanting a vote into Scotland."

You simply can't avoid the fact the Scottish Independence is following every other independence movement in being precursored on hatred and detestation.  What we've also seen, on our own forum, is posters proposing civil unrest and terrorism to achieve their goal.

Now talk to me about a decent and civic independence movement based on pragmatism and Scottish egalitarian values.  I don't see this in evidence.

I once had a discussion at work with a young earther. They told me that if I could disprove the great flood, they would accept that the earth is ancient.

I slowly explained the geology of sedimentation and the process of fossilization. I also explained the use of radioactive isotopes, and other things.

There is an analogy here.

Unionists are exactly like young earthers.

[Thistle_do_nicely]

17 hours ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

Boris: I will stop EU citizens treating Britain like it's their own home.

Nicola: To EU citizens, Scotland is your home and you are welcome here.

Me, an idiot: These two things seem different.

You, an absolute fucking genius: No, they are exactly the same.

 

Caught a little bit of the radio on my way to work this morning, and a woman was on that made a point I largely agree with; paraphrasing a bit but English nationalism seems to be based on some kind of Rule Britannia vision of getting back to the days of Empire, closing up borders and generally being a horrible brand of ethnic nationalism about how superior English people are to Johnny Foreigner.

Scottish nationalism tends to be seeing this, rejecting it wholly and trying to instead recognise that rather than being dragged along by England into killing off anything resembling a kind, welcoming society, we can instead take a different approach if we want to. Sturgeon, Patrick Harvie and a host of others tend to be very consistent on this, and I'd be rather surprised if anyone can find Sturgeon passing comment anything remotely similar to, oh I don't know, let's say some of the comments Boris let pass under his watch as a newspaper editor about the Scotch? Or about the value of a pound spent in Croydon compared to Strathclyde?

Huge fan of Kincardine just pulling idea's sourced straight out of his arse about what Scottish independence is and spraffing them on the forum as if they're FACT when he doesn't even fucking live here, though. edit: tbf not living here doesn't mean he can't pass any sort of comment, but it means that, presumably, any opinions are based wholly on i) media outlet's he's reading, and I doubt somewhat that the fucking National is included in that, or ii) online sources only, which I would always be wary of for a multitude of reasons. Tone doesn't travel well on the internet, and it tends to magnify hyperbole. 

Edited December 16, 2019 by Thistle_do_nicely

[NotThePars]

Kincy has the semblance of a point about Scotland choosing to ignore its role in empire and the act of historical forgetting but his gin-addled brain takes that to mean that we should venerate it and start wearing hoods and burning crosses because some Scots were involved in the KKK instead of y'know acknowledging it and saying "that was bad and we apologise." Also can't think of a bigger repudiation to the British Empire than voting to leave the UK while it's governed by Empire cosplayers and forging a more socialist and internationalist path. Just my onion though.

[AUFC90]

Should we be wary of Labour types trying to split support for independence? Could all be a big ruse to reduce vote share in future elections. 

They'll struggle even more with that tactic. I'll never vote for Scottish Labour until Scotland is independent or they are independent of mother London. Even then I'd take some convincing. A softening of attitudes by those sorts can only be a good thing for the chance of a yes vote though so all good.

[NotThePars]

That’s twice now that oaksoft has taken fairly easy to understand posts and boasted about his inability to read them. Big respect.

[NotThePars]

3 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

It's a variant on the theme of centrist commentators appealing for civil discourse on twitter and when calmly shown why they're wrong going "Yawn. Bored now. Off to do something more important."

 

Those people at least retain the veneer of being above it all. He's inserting himself into a conversation to boast about his inability to get basic posts. Marrying that with his constant complaining about the falling education standards of this country and it's just good stuff all round.

[BFTD]

43 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

That’s twice now that oaksoft has taken fairly easy to understand posts and boasted about his inability to read them. Big respect.

It's an intriguing change from the usual lack-of-virtue signalling that he likes to do.

Really missing the old braggadocio at this time of year, though. Been a while since there's been a post starting, "when you have a big wife and a beautiful house, like I do..."

(I think that was how it went)

[craigkillie]

On 16/12/2019 at 14:12, NotThePars said:

Kincy has the semblance of a point about Scotland choosing to ignore its role in empire and the act of historical forgetting but his gin-addled brain takes that to mean that we should venerate it and start wearing hoods and burning crosses because some Scots were involved in the KKK instead of y'know acknowledging it and saying "that was bad and we apologise." Also can't think of a bigger repudiation to the British Empire than voting to leave the UK while it's governed by Empire cosplayers and forging a more socialist and internationalist path. Just my onion though.

Some Scottish institutions such as the University of Glasgow are beginning to acknowledge the extent to which Scottish society benefited from the worst parts of the empire, such as the slave trade. I would be wholly in favour of an independent Scotland offering a formal apology and some form of reparation to countries and communities who were impacted by our part in this imperialism. I get the feeling that this is something which could actually happen in Scotland, but the chances of it happening in England any time soon are roughly zero.

Edited December 18, 2019 by craigkillie

[fatshaft]

On 15/12/2019 at 21:38, MixuFixit said:

Angus MacNeil being his usual helpful self fabricating SNP strategy from whatever just popped into his head

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-faces-new-scottish-21103466

I like the fact he's different, I'd like it more if he didna spik pish when he's being different

[Granny Danger]

Mark Smith in the Herald saying that traditional Labour and Tory voters in Scotland who voted SNP this time only did so in opposition to Brexit.  He knows this because he spoke to some of them following the election.

I can only assume that journalists who spout pish like this do not expect to be taken seriously.

 

[BawWatchin]

6 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Mark Smith in the Herald saying that traditional Labour and Tory voters in Scotland who voted SNP this time only did so in opposition to Brexit.  He knows this because he spoke to some of them following the election.

I can only assume that journalists who spout pish like this do not expect to be taken seriously.

 

If they only did it in opposition to brexit, then they'll surely be independence supporters now?