TxRover Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, SirJimmyofNic said: Personally I'd like to see the Football club separated from the rest of the jigsaw I understand, but a potentially nomadic club is probably doomed in the long run. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbykdy Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/3989320/fan-view-credit-where-its-due-for-raith-rovers-owner-but-wounds-have-been-self-inflicted/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJimmyofNic Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 34 minutes ago, TxRover said: I understand, but a potentially nomadic club is probably doomed in the long run. If the whole kit n caboodle goes down the swanee at least the club would still exist, or would John Sim let things go that far 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/sport/football/raith-rovers-foreign-investors-linked-with-move-to-buy-kirkcaldy-club-3959673 Fire sale incoming? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJimmyofNic Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, renton said: https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/sport/football/raith-rovers-foreign-investors-linked-with-move-to-buy-kirkcaldy-club-3959673 Fire sale incoming? Shades of the Livi 3, but christ who'd spend money on any of our players, and surely Stadium maintenance is SPP responsibility 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 We’ll be hybrid and in League One within 2/3 years, and it won’t be any of the players/managers fault. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJimmyofNic Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Just now, Enigma said: We’ll be hybrid and in League One within 2/3 years, and it won’t be any of the players/managers fault. That will happen after next season when everyone's contracts are up and we'll be back in the seaside, if not before then 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryBumpkin Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Enigma said: We’ll be hybrid and in League One within 2/3 years, and it won’t be any of the players/managers fault. Again, what do we do with our very limited supporter base? Is 1600 a week enough to keep us full time? For a catchment area the size of Kirkcaldy and surrounding, we get comparatively bugger all in return in terms of arses on seats week on week. Yes times are tough right now, yep, the stat of the year didn't help at all but ever since the pandemic our crowds have been getting smaller and not bigger. Hybrid and living within our means is exactly what we should be doing, we've pished good money up the wall in the last few seasons on awful return (Ross, Gullan, Goodwillie etc) when we should have been securing the future. The fact that year on year we bank on "a cup tie that will change everything" is piss poor from the top. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, CountryBumpkin said: Again, what do we do with our very limited supporter base? Is 1600 a week enough to keep us full time? For a catchment area the size of Kirkcaldy and surrounding, we get comparatively bugger all in return in terms of arses on seats week on week. Yes times are tough right now, yep, the stat of the year didn't help at all but ever since the pandemic our crowds have been getting smaller and not bigger. Hybrid and living within our means is exactly what we should be doing, we've pished good money up the wall in the last few seasons on awful return (Ross, Gullan, Goodwillie etc) when we should have been securing the future. The fact that year on year we bank on "a cup tie that will change everything" is piss poor from the top. 1600 probably would be enough if the club was run better but if the club was well run we’d have done more over the years to attract fans/additional revenue than just sitting on our arses and hoping that a decent cup tie will bail us out. I see we’re still trying to sell hospitality for Friday, yet clubs like Montrose can sell theirs out months in advance and they probably have more spaces to sell! Edited December 19, 2022 by Enigma 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 34 minutes ago, renton said: https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/sport/football/raith-rovers-foreign-investors-linked-with-move-to-buy-kirkcaldy-club-3959673 Fire sale incoming? Quote To offer Rovers financial support, contact MacDonald or Sim via email addresses available on the club website. May as well just start a fucking gofundme. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brashy's Boots Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 So who is worth what? Connolly surely top of the pile. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Brashy's Boots said: So who is worth what? Connolly surely top of the pile. And likely worth f**k all in any event. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJimmyofNic Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Brashy's Boots said: So who is worth what? Connolly surely top of the pile. Stanton is the only one who might command a 5 figure sum, Ross anything we got for him would be split with Aberdeen, no fecking wonder players ain't performing 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 The only players worth any amount of money are those: 1) capable of playing at a higher level; and 2) not out of contract in the summer. Anyone else will get a token fee at best. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raith Against The Machine Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 To be honest, I find this puzzling as much as anything else. John Sim is, and always has been, opaque to the point of madness, but I just can't get the whole situation to add up. Why spend hundreds of thousands of pounds on a pitch, floodlights, portacabins and hubs only to then plead poverty over what are essentially day-to-day running expenses? MacDonald mentions "maintenance that hasn't been done in previous years" (I might be misquoting slightly, but that's the gist) - which years? Presumably since 2005 (albeit almost certainly pre-dating that too) when Sim took control. Why neglect some maintenance but spend money on the floodlights? Why bother with either? If you're going to sink money on one, surely you'd do the other? That's the fundamental contradiction I just can't square. He's spent a fortune in the last 15+ years on various pet projects of varying natures, but seems to have also flat out refused to spend comparitively small amounts at other times. It feels like he's got a greater interest in the community aspect versus the first team, but then why bother supporting the club at all? He owns the ground. As someone has alluded to above, why not split them entirely? Make it some other mugs problem whether to pay rent at Stark's or try to find a ground somewhere else, and focus on running a centre for the community. Does he think the stadium needs the club as a "principal" to build the whole thing around? Then why let it get to this point? And it's also worth thinking about who's been setting the budgets for the last 17 years. This isn't the case that a new owner has come in and is dealing with legacy contracts and a bloated squad. If John Sim wanted to cut the playing budget by £150,000 at any point he could've done so. Maybe he's not pointing the finger at anyone, perhaps I'm reading that accusation into it, but it seems utterly bizarre for a man who's made a fortune in the finance world to be seeking investment in a business/project/charity/basketcase by essentially highlighting his own mismanagement. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryBumpkin Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 23 minutes ago, Enigma said: 1600 probably would be enough if the club was run better but if the club was well run we’d have done more over the years to attract fans/additional revenue than just sitting on our arses and hoping that a decent cup tie will bail us out. I see we’re still trying to sell hospitality for Friday, yet clubs like Montrose can sell theirs out months in advance and they probably have more spaces to sell! Assume best case scenario, 1600 paying £20 each a week is £32000 a home game and £608,000 a season. That doesn't pay a full time squad and backroom staff sufficiently to be any better than we would be now. Sure add in some sponsorship and competition bonuses but it's not a massive additional amount. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJimmyofNic Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 It kinda fecks me right off that we're in this position yet again after all the fund raising the fans put in during the shutdown the continued if reduced player fund , the sale of two players for £200k 2 games against Celtic we really shouldn't be in this mess once again 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpaddyx Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 23 minutes ago, Brashy's Boots said: So who is worth what? Connolly surely top of the pile. Aidan Connolly IS the list of players worth selling and since his contract ends in May who in their right mind would pay more than a token amount to sign him? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raith Against The Machine Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 We're not selling anyone in January, Steven MacDonald is just opening his mouth and letting noise fall out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher brash Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 What I find astounding is the approx 3 million price tag ? What’s that based on ! The fans raise over 100k + 2 televised away ties at Celtic , A 5 placed finish yet we are now looking at selling players on the cheap what the F@@k 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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