Jim McLean's Ghost Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 5 hours ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Danny Ric should have been out of the sport by the time he left Renault. Absolutely remarkable what smiling a lot can get you in a notoriously ruthless and exacting sport. F1 has never been about who is the best driver to get on the grid. It is who has the most money. I've seen other reports that Perez will be back because he brings $30m worth of sponsorship money with him to Red Bull. Essentially paying all his salary and a bit more. And where there isn't huge money there are other conflicts. Like when Piastri went to McLaren he drew the ire of Toto Wolff. In any other sport it would be strange for another team to talk how other teams are run, but behind the scenes Wolff is also on the "management team" of many drivers and probably was trying to get the McLaren seat for one of his own guys. Teams have their own driver programs and want to sign the next Verstappen or Hamilton and the way to do that is show loyalty to the guys you have. So you see a guy like Logan Sargeant get a seat despite never actually showing himself to be in the truly elite level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 38 minutes ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: F1 has never been about who is the best driver to get on the grid. It is who has the most money. I've seen other reports that Perez will be back because he brings $30m worth of sponsorship money with him to Red Bull. Essentially paying all his salary and a bit more. And where there isn't huge money there are other conflicts. Like when Piastri went to McLaren he drew the ire of Toto Wolff. In any other sport it would be strange for another team to talk how other teams are run, but behind the scenes Wolff is also on the "management team" of many drivers and probably was trying to get the McLaren seat for one of his own guys. Teams have their own driver programs and want to sign the next Verstappen or Hamilton and the way to do that is show loyalty to the guys you have. So you see a guy like Logan Sargeant get a seat despite never actually showing himself to be in the truly elite level. Perez brings Carlos Slims cash with him 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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V.Aye.R Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 On 25/03/2024 at 18:07, Jim McLean's Ghost said: F1 has never been about who is the best driver to get on the grid. It is who has the most money. I've seen other reports that Perez will be back because he brings $30m worth of sponsorship money with him to Red Bull. Essentially paying all his salary and a bit more. And where there isn't huge money there are other conflicts. Like when Piastri went to McLaren he drew the ire of Toto Wolff. In any other sport it would be strange for another team to talk how other teams are run, but behind the scenes Wolff is also on the "management team" of many drivers and probably was trying to get the McLaren seat for one of his own guys. Teams have their own driver programs and want to sign the next Verstappen or Hamilton and the way to do that is show loyalty to the guys you have. So you see a guy like Logan Sargeant get a seat despite never actually showing himself to be in the truly elite level. Perez and the sponsorship is valid. Telcel amongst others contribute significantly to offsetting his salary. That's before you get the exposure of the Mexican GP crowd etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burattino Di Calzini Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Perez is a decent number 2 driver, he brings sponsorship and won't rock the boat too much. He's nowhere near Verstappen's level, but very few are. Tsunoda or Ricciardo would definitely not be an improvement. As much as I'd love to see Alonso in a Red Bull, it ain't going to happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 I can't see past Alonso going to Mercedes next season. If it was anyone else involved in Russell's accident, he would have been claiming attempted murder but never really said a bad word about Alonso's 'maneuver' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 25/03/2024 at 12:15, Miguel Sanchez said: Danny Ric should have been out of the sport by the time he left Renault. Absolutely remarkable what smiling a lot can get you in a notoriously ruthless and exacting sport. On what basis? His two seasons at Renault were decent, and his second season in particular was very good. He should've been done after those two abject years at McLaren. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 28/03/2024 at 00:13, Mr. Brightside said: On what basis? His two seasons at Renault were decent, and his second season in particular was very good. He should've been done after those two abject years at McLaren. He left a race winning team to take a massive contract at Renault. There was some mild improvement there (I thought he was there longer than two years tbf) but nothing to make anyone think he's developed into a top driver, especially not when Verstappen/Russell/Leclerc/Norris are all coming through and establishing themselves at the top of the grid. I stopped paying attention to F1 as much when he was winning races at Red Bull but he just seemed to have gone downhill when he moved with nothing suggesting he could lead a team. Outside of his win (which was at a circuit where most people in this thread could probably get a result at) he was very comfortably worse than Norris at McLaren and was notably worse than the driver he replaced, which to me just confirmed the downward trajectory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Aston Martin trying to sign Newey. Good luck with that - unless it's to replace Stroll. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden God Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 9 minutes ago, Stu said: Aston Martin trying to sign Newey. Good luck with that - unless it's to replace Stroll. Surely if he goes anywhere it’s to Ferrari, the only reason for Aston would be money but Red Bull and Ferrari can give him a blank cheque as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 I reckon Lawrence Stroll is trying to make the F1 version of the Galacticos, except with his son as one of the drivers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.Aye.R Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Wouldn't it be very funny where Alonso is driving an absolute rocketship to the title and Stroll is battling to stay in the points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 7 hours ago, V.Aye.R said: Wouldn't it be very funny where Alonso is driving an absolute rocketship to the title and Stroll is battling to stay in the points. It'll be even funnier when Newey designs a car so good even Stroll can win it just as Alonso has fucked off to Mercedes for yet another season of trying to convince the world his latest seventh place was the greatest drive in history. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Does anyone actually like any of the drivers? Reading this thread it's like everyone just wants failure for everyone 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy boo Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 2 hours ago, The Moonster said: Does anyone actually like any of the drivers? Reading this thread it's like everyone just wants failure for everyone I quite like most of the ones who don't win every race now or in the recent past. Which is why I generally prefer Indycar and Nascar for the relative variety of winners. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gianfranco Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Adrian Newey already has a shit tonne of titles and I’d assume the same for money. It’ll be interesting to see what motivates him to move. Maybe the easiest people to work with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.Aye.R Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 11 hours ago, The Moonster said: Does anyone actually like any of the drivers? Reading this thread it's like everyone just wants failure for everyone Very few are particularly likeable tbf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 2 minutes ago, V.Aye.R said: Very few are particularly likeable tbf There's a few of them I'd rather not listen to but I actually think most of them seem pretty sound tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 11 hours ago, The Moonster said: Does anyone actually like any of the drivers? Reading this thread it's like everyone just wants failure for everyone I've always liked Alonso, seems honest rather than the overtrained in PR robots most of them are. His honesty is sometimes only perceptible through a disguised wink though tbf. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy boo Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: I've always liked Alonso, seems honest rather than the overtrained in PR robots most of them are. His honesty is sometimes only perceptible through a disguised wink though tbf. It's become all too sanitised and PC for my liking. Nascar Xfinity race earlier had a driver punted off who then ripped off his bootlid and threw it at the driver he percieved had put him in the wall 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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