The Falkirk FC Thread

[Blame Me]

50 minutes ago, Caractacus Potts said:

It’s really not hard but if you can’t be bothered to look at stats to back up your point then maybe don’t respond and we won’t have to bore anyone. 

[Guest Caractacus Potts]

6 minutes ago, Blame Me said:

Sorry not ITK so stats are the only thing to back it up. Think I’ve been reasonable in what I’ve put forward but jump on the pile on if it pleases you. 

[Believe The Hype]

13 hours ago, Caractacus Potts said:

Of the teams that are in still in the league from 20/21, would it be fair to say that Airdrie, Montrose, Peterhead and Clyde were stronger then than this season? 

Or in the same vein, can we not suggest that the case is we are actually better? Why do they have to be worse for us to have improved? Surely a point can be made for both cases. 

[Guest Caractacus Potts]

14 minutes ago, Believe The Hype said:

Or in the same vein, can we not suggest that the case is we are actually better? Why do they have to be worse for us to have improved? Surely a point can be made for both cases. 

Overall they had better results and some players of a higher calibre than they do now. The only reason to bring it up was the notion that the league was a lot stronger then. That doesn’t mean to say our own team isn’t stronger than 20/21 but the suggestion was the league is much stronger and therefore our opponents are harder to beat. I disagree.

I’m only going by stats and looking at some influential players that are no longer with them or are now past it though. Maybe Airdrie, Clyde, Peterhead and Montrose fans can state whether they believe their teams to be better or worse this season than 20/21. 

Regardless of the comparison, I do think we have a better squad now but unfortunately we keep churning out poor results against teams we really should be beating whether they have Goodwillie etc or not. 

Edited May 2, 2023 by Caractacus Potts

[Blame Me]

19 minutes ago, Caractacus Potts said:

... I’m only going by stats ...

If only football was played on paper you might be onto something.

If all things were equal I'd probably agree but you can't take those stats in isolation without factoring in ~ 3-years of context.

[Guest Caractacus Potts]

31 minutes ago, Blame Me said:

If only football was played on paper you might be onto something.

If all things were equal I'd probably agree but you can't take those stats in isolation without factoring in ~ 3-years of context.

Unfortunately football is won on paper with points won, goals scored, goals lost etc all in effect. If we can’t use stats then everything is entirely subjective and just a case of who shouts loudest. 

Edited May 2, 2023 by Caractacus Potts

[Cardinal Richelieu]

I've had to remove a few posts with vitriolic personal abuse. Calling each other childish names is a sure sign you're losing the argument, not to mention off-putting to all the other posters who just want to read and contribute to the debates. 

[HopeStreetWalker]

13 hours ago, Springfield said:

With all respect Nesbitt gets a two year ticket nearly a month ago,  what message does that send to the squad ?

The wrong one!

[SouthStander1876]

The McGlynn sacking chat is nonsense. It's off the back of losing a Scottish Cup Semi-Final, not dropping out of the playoffs or something akin to previous seasons. We're going into the playoffs, and I'd say we're favourites.

I think the games against Championship sides showed us how far out of our depth we would be with this current squad. 3-0 x2 to Dundee, 3-0 to ICT and the only win was extremely lucky. Aggregate of 10-2 simply not good enough and we'd be straight back down again.  

McGlynn in my opinion is the man to take us forward and any talk of sacking him, especially right before the playoffs is ludacris.

[Guest]

48 minutes ago, SouthStander1876 said:

McGlynn in my opinion is the man to take us forward and any talk of sacking him, especially right before the playoffs is ludacris.

Ludicrous or not, it’s just a football forum opinion. I can’t buy into McGlynn being the man to take us forward, and that’s based on what I have seen this season in terms tactics, lack of flexibility and results as well as his career up to now.

The man has only ever won one league title, and that was 14 years ago in the old L2. He has made the L1 & L2 play offs a good few times, but has never prevailed. He has won two or three Consolation Cups, and his Raith side finished 5th last season………that’s about it. Of course, Raith were awarded promotion in the cancelled Covid season, but it was just that…..an incomplete season.

Do I want to see him sacked before the play offs? No I don’t.

Do I think he deserves another season if we win the play offs? Absolutely.

Do I think he deserves another season if we crash and burn in the play offs? Not so sure. I am sure he will get the gig, but I think confidence in him would be very low.

For all his experience, the two alternate targets he is faced with are two things that he has never achieved……..win L1 next season, or win the Championship play offs this season.

[SouthStander1876]

I think people are expecting a manager to come in and instantly have a perfect season, it takes time to bed in. 2nd place first season is not awful, obviously not what we wanted but its passable. We need to give managers time instead of just sacking them off. Give McGlynn time and I believe he'll prosper, when he got Raith promoted he quickly established them in the championship, and as we are a club of a bigger size I believe he can go further. Not unwarranted optimism imo

[Salvo Montalbano]

3 minutes ago, SouthStander1876 said:

I think people are expecting a manager to come in and instantly have a perfect season, it takes time to bed in. 2nd place first season is not awful, obviously not what we wanted but its passable. We need to give managers time instead of just sacking them off. Give McGlynn time and I believe he'll prosper, when he got Raith promoted he quickly established them in the championship, and as we are a club of a bigger size I believe he can go further. Not unwarranted optimism imo

True enough, McPake had the temerity to lose a league game this season. 

In all seriousness, I think the worry for Falkirk fans would be that the second half of the season followed a familiar pattern to his Raith teams. They would often start the season well, go into a slump in the winter time (either because other teams figured him out, the pitches weren't as good, or due to injuries piling up) then there would be a wee improvement (usually when playing a different formation for a game or two) before the season kinda fizzled out. Now you may have enough quality in the squad to go through the play offs this time, but even if you go up I can see folk calling for his head come November/December next year.

[Reggie Perrin]

3 hours ago, Caractacus Potts said:

Seems a bit unfair to suggest. Are we only allowed to post if we agree with you and your friends, such as BPM?

Absolutely not what I am suggesting, just stop being repetitive and boring.

[Springfield]

9 minutes ago, Duncan Freemason said:

Ludicrous or not, it’s just a football forum opinion. I can’t buy into McGlynn being the man to take us forward, and that’s based on what I have seen this season in terms tactics, lack of flexibility and results as well as his career up to now.

The man has only ever won one league title, and that was 14 years ago in the old L2. He has made the L1 & L2 play offs a good few times, but has never prevailed. He has won two or three Consolation Cups, and his Raith side finished 5th last season………that’s about it. Of course, Raith were awarded promotion in the cancelled Covid season, but it was just that…..an incomplete season.

Do I want to see him sacked before the play offs? No I don’t.

Do I think he deserves another season if we win the play offs? Absolutely.

Do I think he deserves another season if we crash and burn in the play offs? Not so sure. I am sure he will get the gig, but I think confidence in him would be very low.

For all his experience, the two alternate targets he is faced with are two things that he has never achieved……..win L1 next season, or win the Championship play offs this season.

As said it’s all about opinions, for me failure to get up this year after the budget he’s been given, would almost guarantee in any other walk of life a thanks and goodbye. 

Sorry but we seem to accept failure so easy nowadays. Sick to my teeth of four years of abhorrent shite, walking out of grounds early after watching eleven players go throw the motions and stealing wages.

Saturday epitomised what we’ve had to endure, a set of eleven powderpuff players giving a powderpuff performance.  Not a set of balls to be seen (McGinn aside)
The cup finances will skew opinions and ensure he gets another year. 

[scottsdad]

For me, any talk of getting rid of McGlynn is a bit nonsense. He's steadied the ship after the utter shambles of the last 2/3 years. He has had to clear out a load of leftover dross (cheers G. Holt) and there is still some lingering about.

Next year will be the first proper side in his image. Even if we stay down...what's the alternative? Bin him and bring in yet another inexperienced coach/ex-player/has been/never was? Anyone willing to say he should be sacked should back it up with at least one genuine candidate to replace him.

[Guest Caractacus Potts]

26 minutes ago, Reggie Perrin said:

Absolutely not what I am suggesting, just stop being repetitive and boring.

So I’ve to stop responding to anyone(like yourself) who refutes anything I say? 

[Guest Caractacus Potts]

6 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

For me, any talk of getting rid of McGlynn is a bit nonsense. He's steadied the ship after the utter shambles of the last 2/3 years. He has had to clear out a load of leftover dross (cheers G. Holt) and there is still some lingering about.

Next year will be the first proper side in his image. Even if we stay down...what's the alternative? Bin him and bring in yet another inexperienced coach/ex-player/has been/never was? Anyone willing to say he should be sacked should back it up with at least one genuine candidate to replace him.

Robbie Neilson? 

[Bairn in Exile]

11 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

For me, any talk of getting rid of McGlynn is a bit nonsense. He's steadied the ship after the utter shambles of the last 2/3 years. He has had to clear out a load of leftover dross (cheers G. Holt) and there is still some lingering about.

Next year will be the first proper side in his image. Even if we stay down...what's the alternative? Bin him and bring in yet another inexperienced coach/ex-player/has been/never was? Anyone willing to say he should be sacked should back it up with at least one genuine candidate to replace him.

Ian McCall, although @Shodwall cat has alluded to some issues behind the scenes was the real reason for his sacking at PT, what that was I haven't a clue. He was still a great manager for us.

[The Toun Clock]

FWIW I think Falkirk would be mad to bin McGlynn if you don't get promoted this season. I know it'll sting but there's a good chance he get rid of any deadwood still at the club, makes more of his own signings and you guys go on to win L1 next season. Say you don't go up, it's going to be one of Arbroath, Accies and Cove that come down. All three are smaller clubs, smaller budgets etc and I wouldn't fancy any of them going straight back up. And who's going to come up, Stirling Albion. Mix that with the rest of the middle of the league teams and I think Falkirk will win that division, If Airdrie go up then you won't have them to deal with either. Change the manager and it's back to square one.

[martin ritchie]

19 hours ago, Blame Me said:

Steering the topic away from the now tedious M&M vs. McGlynn posts which prove the old Ebbe Skovdhal quote quite well ...

Does anyone know the clubs position on the B-team shenanigans happening at the moment and likely voting intentions?

I'd hope we've sounded out our tenants the Shirey-pirey for their views.

As a supposed fan owned/led club then you would hope the board/club would vote against this proposal. 2 bigoted clubs trying to force through more changes to the league structure just to benefit no one but themselves, surely we as fans should be debating this more and since board members either read this forum or friends of the board clearly do then you would hope the clubs position could be clarified. My view is the idea can get in the sea